Different people have different priorities. I live in eastern EU. The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me. I obviously can’t vote in the US election, but I will happily support Biden from across the pond due to that one issue.
To a Palestinian? Yeah, I understand they don’t really care about anything outside the direct issues affecting their people so they’d be anti-Biden.
I live in Norway and feel the same way. However I will point out that trump is pro Israel and doesn’t like Muslims. He even wanted to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
He did move the embassy to Jerusalem. It probably helped escalate the tensions that led to the attack and then war.
It makes me skeptical that much of the anti-Biden rhetoric around Israel/Palestine is either IDF/Russian/Iranian trolls or just terminally online edgelords who haven’t got a clue about the realities of a US election. Namely that letting Biden lose will be much worse for everyone, Palestinians especially.
The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me.
Only it seems that support for Ukraine is slowly drying out anyway. So whether electing Biden will help that is questionable.
One can’t blame them for not trusting anything signed by Russia, though. But maybe they should have conceded on some of the occupied territories, when Russia wasn’t demanding anything they didn’t hold, which is as close to “begging for peace” as you can expect from an adversary 3 times stronger.
Dunno, I think no matter what the outcome of that election, for Ukraine it’d be best to sign some treaty by September. Same for Armenia, only unless somebody forces Aliyev, it may not get such an opportunity.
Look, even if you single issue on Palestine, which is 100% reasonable, the fact of the matter is that life expectancy and quality for Palestinians absolutely goes down significantly further under Trump. He has effectively said as much. Ot is baffling to me how there are people so myopic and stupid as to not see this. If you actually give a shit about even a single Palestinian, Trump is quite clearly an even worse nightmare scenario than they currently experience.
“The genocide I am imagining in my mind is worse than the genocide that is currently happening.” — liberals
I’m not sure there will be any Palestinians left to kill once Biden’s finished with them. If he’s willing to slaughter an entire nation just to enrich his arms dealer puppet masters, what makes you think he’d hesitate to slaughter you?
It’s a tragedy that lazy apathetic cynicism like this has a real chance of resulting in an order of magnitude more deaths than have already happened. You won’t have to suffer the consequences of the choices you are contributing to, which is deeply unfortunate and unfair.
Tens of thousands of people are dead in Palestine and hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, all thanks in to Biden. A majority of covid deaths (hundreds of thousands, possibly more than a million) happened during Biden’s presidency. One might almost think that it’s not necessary to vote for genocides, especially because you probably don’t even live in a swing state, meaning that your vote is already nullified by the slaveowner-designed constitution.
Let’s go with your outline - “I’m not sure there will be any Palestinians left to kill once Biden’s finished with them”.
Now, you’ll go and vote for Trump, be delighted that Biden is no longer there, and then what? What do you think you’ll be gaining with Trump in charge?
I’m not voting for trump. You don’t actually have to vote for either nazi, especially since the electoral college has probably already nullified your vote.
I woke up from liberalism in 2016 after the corporate media, which had already lied about the Iraq War and the Vietnam War and plenty of other pretty important things, reassured me that Trump could never win the election. I returned to the USA (big mistake) after living for years in a country with universal health care, and found myself surrounded by liberals who insisted that universal health care is evil and terrible and impossible, though I had used it hundreds of times and thought it was amazing, and was horrified by the possibility that my family would be bankrupted if one of us got into a car accident (for instance). I began to wonder if I was on the right team. I started reading Marxist theory and history, and here I am, asking for someone to explain, using specific policy examples, how the Blue Cheetoh is different from the red one.
If I were you, I would simply not support genocide. It’s really quite easy! It’s much harder to rationalize it and tell jokes that would have been considered antiquated decades ago!
Oh, well, you fucking mouth-breathing moron, here’s how: Biden personally told me he likes murdering Palestinians more than me last week at a charity function. We were having manhattans and those little cocktail weenies.
But have you considered that he didn’t change military policy on Isreal?
That should be the one and only issue you base your vote on, according to a scary amount of people around here.
Edit: See? Here they are, saying Trump and Biden are the same. It’s kinda wild to watch.
Different people have different priorities. I live in eastern EU. The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me. I obviously can’t vote in the US election, but I will happily support Biden from across the pond due to that one issue.
To a Palestinian? Yeah, I understand they don’t really care about anything outside the direct issues affecting their people so they’d be anti-Biden.
I get why they don’t like Biden. But Trump has openly said that Israel should escalate the attacks and finish off the Palestinians.
Biden is ignoring genocide. Trump is actively encouraging it.
I live in Norway and feel the same way. However I will point out that trump is pro Israel and doesn’t like Muslims. He even wanted to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
He did move the embassy to Jerusalem. It probably helped escalate the tensions that led to the attack and then war.
It makes me skeptical that much of the anti-Biden rhetoric around Israel/Palestine is either IDF/Russian/Iranian trolls or just terminally online edgelords who haven’t got a clue about the realities of a US election. Namely that letting Biden lose will be much worse for everyone, Palestinians especially.
I didn’t realize .ml was populated by so many Palestinians! You’d think they’d have more pressing things to do than post snark on Lemmy.
You mad bro?
Mad at what?
Thanks.
For what?
Only it seems that support for Ukraine is slowly drying out anyway. So whether electing Biden will help that is questionable.
One can’t blame them for not trusting anything signed by Russia, though. But maybe they should have conceded on some of the occupied territories, when Russia wasn’t demanding anything they didn’t hold, which is as close to “begging for peace” as you can expect from an adversary 3 times stronger.
Dunno, I think no matter what the outcome of that election, for Ukraine it’d be best to sign some treaty by September. Same for Armenia, only unless somebody forces Aliyev, it may not get such an opportunity.
If Biden is okay with murdering Palestinians, what makes you think he’d care about murdering you?
Look, even if you single issue on Palestine, which is 100% reasonable, the fact of the matter is that life expectancy and quality for Palestinians absolutely goes down significantly further under Trump. He has effectively said as much. Ot is baffling to me how there are people so myopic and stupid as to not see this. If you actually give a shit about even a single Palestinian, Trump is quite clearly an even worse nightmare scenario than they currently experience.
“The genocide I am imagining in my mind is worse than the genocide that is currently happening.” — liberals
I’m not sure there will be any Palestinians left to kill once Biden’s finished with them. If he’s willing to slaughter an entire nation just to enrich his arms dealer puppet masters, what makes you think he’d hesitate to slaughter you?
It’s a tragedy that lazy apathetic cynicism like this has a real chance of resulting in an order of magnitude more deaths than have already happened. You won’t have to suffer the consequences of the choices you are contributing to, which is deeply unfortunate and unfair.
Tens of thousands of people are dead in Palestine and hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, all thanks in to Biden. A majority of covid deaths (hundreds of thousands, possibly more than a million) happened during Biden’s presidency. One might almost think that it’s not necessary to vote for genocides, especially because you probably don’t even live in a swing state, meaning that your vote is already nullified by the slaveowner-designed constitution.
You are correct here. Notice how they can’t refute the fact those lives were lost by Biden’s incredibly disastrous foreign policy.
Let’s go with your outline - “I’m not sure there will be any Palestinians left to kill once Biden’s finished with them”. Now, you’ll go and vote for Trump, be delighted that Biden is no longer there, and then what? What do you think you’ll be gaining with Trump in charge?
I’m not voting for trump. You don’t actually have to vote for either nazi, especially since the electoral college has probably already nullified your vote.
You’re right, better to advocate for him to lose to Trump. He’ll treat me way better.
Explain how Biden’s policies are different from Trump’s.
Were you asleep for 4 years or are you truly this disingenuous?
I woke up from liberalism in 2016 after the corporate media, which had already lied about the Iraq War and the Vietnam War and plenty of other pretty important things, reassured me that Trump could never win the election. I returned to the USA (big mistake) after living for years in a country with universal health care, and found myself surrounded by liberals who insisted that universal health care is evil and terrible and impossible, though I had used it hundreds of times and thought it was amazing, and was horrified by the possibility that my family would be bankrupted if one of us got into a car accident (for instance). I began to wonder if I was on the right team. I started reading Marxist theory and history, and here I am, asking for someone to explain, using specific policy examples, how the Blue Cheetoh is different from the red one.
Bye.
Until proven otherwise.
Project 2025 thanks you for your service.
You gotta stop huffing paint, bruh!
If I were you, I would simply not support genocide. It’s really quite easy! It’s much harder to rationalize it and tell jokes that would have been considered antiquated decades ago!
Did we ever get that comprehensive justice system reform after the George floydd protests?
If not… maybe the protests didn’t go far enough? Go further.
Oh, well, you fucking mouth-breathing moron, here’s how: Biden personally told me he likes murdering Palestinians more than me last week at a charity function. We were having manhattans and those little cocktail weenies.
Ableist insults generally signify nazism. It’s no surprise coming from a biden/trump supporter.
He didn’t change policies on many other things too.