Biden already has those codes. If I look at where we started with Trump and where we ended up, and then where Biden picked up and where we ended up, my choice clearly becomes Biden. Trump went from “grab em by the pussy” to Covid to breaking a bunch of laws to an insurrection. Biden cleaned up Trump’s mess and avoided a complete imminent global financial collapse. All things considered, I’d rather see Biden over Trump and it’s too late to try to swap out Biden.
But have you considered that he didn’t change military policy on Isreal?
That should be the one and only issue you base your vote on, according to a scary amount of people around here.
Edit: See? Here they are, saying Trump and Biden are the same. It’s kinda wild to watch.
Different people have different priorities. I live in eastern EU. The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me. I obviously can’t vote in the US election, but I will happily support Biden from across the pond due to that one issue.
To a Palestinian? Yeah, I understand they don’t really care about anything outside the direct issues affecting their people so they’d be anti-Biden.
I get why they don’t like Biden. But Trump has openly said that Israel should escalate the attacks and finish off the Palestinians.
Biden is ignoring genocide. Trump is actively encouraging it.
I live in Norway and feel the same way. However I will point out that trump is pro Israel and doesn’t like Muslims. He even wanted to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
He did move the embassy to Jerusalem. It probably helped escalate the tensions that led to the attack and then war.
It makes me skeptical that much of the anti-Biden rhetoric around Israel/Palestine is either IDF/Russian/Iranian trolls or just terminally online edgelords who haven’t got a clue about the realities of a US election. Namely that letting Biden lose will be much worse for everyone, Palestinians especially.
I didn’t realize .ml was populated by so many Palestinians! You’d think they’d have more pressing things to do than post snark on Lemmy.
You mad bro?
Mad at what?
Thanks.
For what?
The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me.
Only it seems that support for Ukraine is slowly drying out anyway. So whether electing Biden will help that is questionable.
One can’t blame them for not trusting anything signed by Russia, though. But maybe they should have conceded on some of the occupied territories, when Russia wasn’t demanding anything they didn’t hold, which is as close to “begging for peace” as you can expect from an adversary 3 times stronger.
Dunno, I think no matter what the outcome of that election, for Ukraine it’d be best to sign some treaty by September. Same for Armenia, only unless somebody forces Aliyev, it may not get such an opportunity.
If Biden is okay with murdering Palestinians, what makes you think he’d care about murdering you?
Look, even if you single issue on Palestine, which is 100% reasonable, the fact of the matter is that life expectancy and quality for Palestinians absolutely goes down significantly further under Trump. He has effectively said as much. Ot is baffling to me how there are people so myopic and stupid as to not see this. If you actually give a shit about even a single Palestinian, Trump is quite clearly an even worse nightmare scenario than they currently experience.
“The genocide I am imagining in my mind is worse than the genocide that is currently happening.” — liberals
I’m not sure there will be any Palestinians left to kill once Biden’s finished with them. If he’s willing to slaughter an entire nation just to enrich his arms dealer puppet masters, what makes you think he’d hesitate to slaughter you?
It’s a tragedy that lazy apathetic cynicism like this has a real chance of resulting in an order of magnitude more deaths than have already happened. You won’t have to suffer the consequences of the choices you are contributing to, which is deeply unfortunate and unfair.
Tens of thousands of people are dead in Palestine and hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, all thanks in to Biden. A majority of covid deaths (hundreds of thousands, possibly more than a million) happened during Biden’s presidency. One might almost think that it’s not necessary to vote for genocides, especially because you probably don’t even live in a swing state, meaning that your vote is already nullified by the slaveowner-designed constitution.
You are correct here. Notice how they can’t refute the fact those lives were lost by Biden’s incredibly disastrous foreign policy.
Let’s go with your outline - “I’m not sure there will be any Palestinians left to kill once Biden’s finished with them”. Now, you’ll go and vote for Trump, be delighted that Biden is no longer there, and then what? What do you think you’ll be gaining with Trump in charge?
I’m not voting for trump. You don’t actually have to vote for either nazi, especially since the electoral college has probably already nullified your vote.
You’re right, better to advocate for him to lose to Trump. He’ll treat me way better.
Explain how Biden’s policies are different from Trump’s.
Were you asleep for 4 years or are you truly this disingenuous?
I woke up from liberalism in 2016 after the corporate media, which had already lied about the Iraq War and the Vietnam War and plenty of other pretty important things, reassured me that Trump could never win the election. I returned to the USA (big mistake) after living for years in a country with universal health care, and found myself surrounded by liberals who insisted that universal health care is evil and terrible and impossible, though I had used it hundreds of times and thought it was amazing, and was horrified by the possibility that my family would be bankrupted if one of us got into a car accident (for instance). I began to wonder if I was on the right team. I started reading Marxist theory and history, and here I am, asking for someone to explain, using specific policy examples, how the Blue Cheetoh is different from the red one.
bOtH sIdEs ArE the SaMe
Bye.
You gotta stop huffing paint, bruh!
If I were you, I would simply not support genocide. It’s really quite easy! It’s much harder to rationalize it and tell jokes that would have been considered antiquated decades ago!
Did we ever get that comprehensive justice system reform after the George floydd protests?
If not… maybe the protests didn’t go far enough? Go further.
Oh, well, you fucking mouth-breathing moron, here’s how: Biden personally told me he likes murdering Palestinians more than me last week at a charity function. We were having manhattans and those little cocktail weenies.
Ableist insults generally signify nazism. It’s no surprise coming from a biden/trump supporter.
He didn’t change policies on many other things too.
It’s not too late to swap out Biden, but i agree with everything else you said.
It is too late to swap out Biden. It’s too late to try this with anyone else.
Ok, would you care to explain to me why? The way i see it, Biden is and always has been “not Trump”. If you put another person who isn’t trump but is also not a terrible unpopular candidate they would probably get a lot more votes.
People keep saying it’s too late without giving any proof. Saying that shit is going to MAKE IT too late. Postponing it any is going to make things harder. It’s something that unanimously has to happen right now if we want any chance at not falling to fascism.
It is too late to swap out Biden. It’s too late to try this with anyone else.
I’m slowly coming around to a Harris ticket. That memo that’s been circulating lays out a pretty compelling case.
I’m beginning to think the people down voting us are bots. Completely unreasonable negative response for a pretty reasonable opinion.
Keyword being “opinion”. And worded specifically to indicate “I’m not sold and very open to other perspectives”.
I’m not sure it makes sense to talk of them as of separate figures. The US state policy, internal and foreign, under both is eerily similar and continuous, with Trump it looked like “dumpster fire of the day”, with Biden (and Obama before Trump) it looked like “another careful calculated decision”, but they are all in the same general direction.
Biden cleaned up Trump’s mess and avoided a complete imminent global financial collapse.
Was it really Biden, though? Global economy is self-organizing and kinda reliable, like the Internet (by design, not by its real topology and those big underwater cables with no backup connecting whole continents).
no backup connecting whole continents
Wtf are you talking about, there are dozens of them, its literally a huge network of cables.
Theres a whole website about it
Also, global economy is highly fragile, it can take one major investment bubble like in 2008 or event like Covid in 2020 to shake its foundations. Countries all over the world have to pump shitloads of money into it to keep the economy in a state where it won‘t collapse.
Wtf are you talking about, there are dozens of them, its literally a huge network of cables.
There are places connected by only one or two and there are issues with load in case a lucky combination of those gets sabotaged etc.
IDC how old they, I care how competent they are.
Theres plenty of incompetent middle aged and young people as well, letstry not to elect any of them, k?
Exactly this, I’d rather someone near me drive their car at 65mph, than drive next to someone who’s a cocaine addict going over 85mph on the freeway.
I think you’re on to something. We can probably solve most of the problems Biden has in the public discourse by giving him some cocaine.
Correct, it’s about competency. Age is not indicative of one’s competency, just a mere suggestion - no matter if the person is young or old.
So your in favor of removing the 35 yo age minimum?
Yeah, its a dumb barrier in 2024. Lots of 20somethings would be better than biden or trump.
Ultimately, the DNC and RNC exist to stifle options, so until the 2 party system has a replacement theres little hope for real change anyways.
The 2 party system rests on the one seat FPTP election system. So you’d need a complete renewal.
In fact, this would probably be the best year to third party with an election reform party?
Personally I’d be in favor of making it an age maximum. Let’s have a Logan’s Run rule for government.
And I say this with complete seriousness, and as someone who is already ineligible under the rule I propose.
Can we all agree that since we have an age-minimum of 35, then we should have an age-maximum tied to, say, retirement age?
The argument is simple: nobody is in their prime past retirement age. Nobody. And this by default suggests we guaranteed have better options to run the presidency than some geriatric seniors.
Retirement age?? They’re already making retirement infeasible.
Perhaps to cut off just this type of talk /s
True… I shouldn’t give them more cause to raise or eliminate it. How’s 65 as a hard cap?
Perfect. They’ll be 69 when their term ends and then they can go do something else.
Nice.
But then, how do have the oldest, whitest person in charge?
Don’t worry, the 1% always wins while we live a capitalist way of life.
I see you have decided to criticize the democrats. I also see you have failed to post the required 100,000 word essay on how the Republicans are worse then the democrats.
That makes you a secret Russian Republican antisemetic nazi communist. Sorry… them the rules.
Well the good news is that if Biden wins all the names being tossed around for 28 are in their 40s or 50s at the oldest.
I’m crossing my fingers for Whitmer personally.
Bad news is that if Trump wins, they’ll all probably be in prison by then.
Vote.
If you really believe the Republicans getting control of the nation state is a existential threat, you would want to use every tool possible to prevent that right?
What if we changed how we vote so maintaining democracy doesn’t fall solely into the democrats lap? So the democrats have backup on the debate stage! So there are more people to call trump out on his bullshit. So we have more chances to stop the Republicans. Wouldn’t you want more chances? Don’t you want to do everything we can to stop the worst from occurring?
Consider working towards passing electoral reform in your state. Maine and Alaska were able to do it… why not yours?
Especially in a blue state. What is stopping blue states from passing electoral reform? Cause it ain’t the Republicans…
Michigan, for one, has made several reforms to electoral law via ballot measures and laws
What if we changed how we vote so maintaining democracy doesn’t fall solely into the democrats lap?
You’ve yet to explain how to do this before November. Still waiting.
Yeah this is like “if you don’t like either and you actually want something better, just change how voting works really quick, in a few months.”
That’s what they do. Anything but deal with reality.
What also sucks is that every other democrat running for president in 2028 is just a younger version of biden, complete with the same imperialist and segregationist politics.
As long as the two party system reigns supreme and one party puts forth absolutely insane candidates, the other candidate will be no more than a middle ground candidate that tries to siphon votes and take no meaningful stances.
It’s a win win for conservatives, at worst they get someone that has to cater to some of their base.
Liberals: “genocide is the middle ground.”
You mean they are unified? Wow. What a concept.
Unified when it comes to genocide, yes.
Yes. Because you said genocide in your first statement.
What’s the difference between a nazi and someone who excuses genocide?
You mean like pulling out of Ukraine to also Russia to commit genocide… Now who did that again?
Why did the Ukrainian government outlaw the Russian language before the SMO began?
Friendly reminder that only one of them is unstable enough to use them.
Don’t care. I am voting against Project 2025 and for the guy that has an effective and good group around him…not the useful idiot that has to get a new group of people given to him by his handers because the last group is all in prison…
The same group that put him on the debate stage? The same group that allowed him to come off fully arrogant and out of touch in the latest interview? The same group that has essentially thrown one of the most important elections in the span of a week? Fuckin hell, there’s a case to be made of elderly abuse against this ‘good group’.
I’m gonna vote republican-light (D), but this head in the sand bullshit is an additional turn off. You should care.
I get it, the stakes are high and fascism looms, but shilling for the oligarchy is just barf. I’m surprised y’all haven’t started wearing blue hats ‘keep america great’ or some stupid shit yet.
It isn’t shilling it, it is recognizing that literally nothing can be done about it YET (especially between now and the election) and it is irrelevant for the topic of who to vote for this election…hell the only relevance is that trump will be the worst option for it, but it always comes up to pull voters away from the only good option, either as a no-vote or into a spoiler-vote.
Is this more ‘both sides the same’ crappola? Sure sounds like that.
The sides are definitely not the same. One side is a fascist, a rapist, and a felon; the other side has trouble being coherent after 6pm.
They’re not the same, and I know who I’m voting for (not the fascist). But damn do I wish we had some better choices.
The other is also aiding and abetting a genocide. I dont think Trump would have done different, but hey, cant forget that little snipet of information.
Yeah point out that you’re not happy with Biden’s handling of the Middle East like it would by any different or better under Trump. Can’t forget that one is a fascist and one isn’t, don’t forget that little snippet of information.
Bro, can I have your house or $500k?
Sorry mate, best I can do is give some fucks.
Oh…
So if we’re given two options that are both bad…
We can pick a better third option?
It could be someone better running as the Dem candidate?
I’m happy enough to vote for the Biden administration. Whether or not Biden is actually leading the charge himself doesn’t really matter to me, it’s what they have accomplished in the past 4 years that I actually like (with the obvious exception of Gaza).
To be clear, I’m not indifferent on the first 4 years of Biden, I actively like it and wish for it to continue if more aggressive reform isn’t on the table, which it isn’t, nor would I expect it to be.
That said, the debate validated the biggest concerns about Biden. I have faith that his administration would keep up the good work if Biden is too feeble to run the show himself. But it’s shitty optics, and I don’t blame people for being alarmed. Especially since Harris isn’t very popular, nor do I fully trust her not to hold the reigns too tightly if they’re passed to her.
I don’t think this is. It’s not wrong if it’s true. In this case it’s very true.
Now if you said both Biden and Trump committed the same amount of crimes. That would be doing the both sides thing.
Its both sides are shit
#StopTheGerontocracy
#FuckThePalePaleoPatriarchy
Biden is losing in the polls to trump. If he continues to run we will have Trump again. I’m scared shirtless. I wish the democratic party would quit gambling with our democracy and take the fascist threat seriously.
They are taking the threat seriously. The problem is who they consider the threat. Democrats don’t see fascists as a threat to them, and do see progressives as a threat.
Which is exactly how Hitler came to power too, the middle chose right because they were more scared of left.
∆ oh look at that! What’s that? The right take!
Great take
I don’t like it anymore than anyone else, but just look at how effective they were in shutting down Bernie. Yet, somehow, they are completely powerless to stop the Repuglicans from doing whatever they have wanted for the last 80 years.
I don’t know why I got down voted for agreeing with you 🤔
Yeah you’re completely right.
They probably assumed that you were being sarcastic like the other guy I didn’t respond to. I figured I would see if you were, glad to see my assumption was correct.
Oh I wasn’t sarcastic I’m just tired of people saying it’s absolutely not the Democrats absolutely doing everything in their power to not even consider actually moving left.
I figured I was being down voted because it was obnoxious to use text that big but I don’t care.
Oh no! Not the highly accurate and never wrong polls!!!
So your opinion is that we ignore polls completely and stick our hands in the sand…
Sure, if we are redefining “ignorance” and “discarding historically bad information sources”…
I’m scared shirtless.
This is clearly not The Good Place so you can say “shit.”
To be fair, (spoilers for the show) it was the bad place where you couldn’t swear
Shirt
Who is down voting this? Hilarious comment dude. You made me chuckle. Thanks.
Well, you’re in the US, so it’s not your problem if they decide to nuke someone outside it or, say, greenlight an invasion. While I have some of my family and myself in a place theoretically attractive to nukes, and half of my other family in a country likely to be invaded. Fortunately the rest is distributed between USA and a country which, despite all the cries, is in no significant danger.
Sorry you in fear of invasion or nuking. I don’t mean to say those in the USA will have it the worst of this happens. There is Def safety in the imperial core.
I don’t feel the need to compete over who will have it worse, comrade. let’s just be on the same side instead🙂
That’s more of a joking tone, if it happens, it happens anyway.
MAD is very real and will happen if America launches nukes at anyone so I think every American should be worried about our government deciding to use them.
I’m not sure of that really working, hasn’t been tested after all. Shootouts on the streets don’t lead to everyone getting shot. So, say, US warns “everybody big” that they are nuking someplace, but don’t want to nuke anyone else. If “everybody big” are kinda fine with it, they won’t launch nukes in response. That means there’s a place nuked and no MAD.
Everybody is tired of these dinosaurs. I don’t know anybody conservative or liberal who’s thrilled about either candidate.
As far as this election goes, my thought process goes like this.
Biden: Oh my God, NO! He’s terrible!
Trump: Oh my God, NO! He’s terrible! x100
Therefore I’ll be voting for Biden.
You can be “sick of old men” all you like OP, but are you “sick of democracy, eager to embrace dictatorship?”
Both Sides, comrade?
Criticism of both capitalist parties from a leftist perspective doesn’t imply a false equivalence.
Usually when I see someone bring up “both sides” it’s a conservative like you trying to make people criticizing the democrats seem unreasonable.
Both sides are capitalist and conservative, but of course there are differences. Don’t you want more differences?
If you really get people who often “both sides” you, do you wanna know how to shut them the fuck up? You put them in the game! You force them to put their words into action by passing electoral reform. Doing away with First Past The Post voting, getting rid of tge spoiler effect, and make third parties viable.
Make them prove it. Force them to show us how it’s done. It’s so easy right? Force them into the game and they won’t have any “sides” to complain about.
More democracy is the answer, not hoping they vote for your guy.
I am sick of genocidal lunatics (both of them) and their enablers (you).
My brother in Christ, I am Canadian.
*klanadian
Volunteer at an old folks’ home. Most old men just want to eat jello and play cards. They’re very sweet! Not power hungry lunatics like these two.
I wish all these two wanted was to eat jello and play cards.
Doing away with First Past The Post voting in favor of a more representative electoral system (such as but not limited to Ranked Choice voting) will Introduce competition into the electoral process.
This will increase the quality of candidates across the political spectrum. Yes, this would even help the Republicans pick less insane candidates.
Cool, how do we do that before November?
We have to think further than the next election. At this point we just have to assume we will win this November and start planning for 2028. There’s going to be a big strike that May Day so we would need to have sympathetic representatives wherever we can. As much as we hate biden for solely running on that, “not Republican” will get you far, maybe enough to flip even a local seat
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I highly recommend multiple seat districts so that multiple groups get representation. One seat districts are very 1800s. Regards from Northern Europe.
