A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn’t even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.
Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.
Just FYI for now. It’s late here so I’ll see how we proceed tomorrow.
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This could not be any funnier. Please reddit, take legal control of the piracy subreddit, right as you take the experienced mod team out. I’m sure everything will go fantastic.
Reddit will sure be a lovely site in a few months…
May their shareholders weep.
If you take away what the people want
You’re gonna have a bad time. ⛷️
I’m sad to see what has happened to the community I’ve been a part of for the better part of my life.
[removed by reddit]
they’re gonna love that sweet, sweet liability
I had a good hearty laugh thanks to your comment.
I heard Disney really likes it when their content is shared through Reddit without them getting a cut of the profits. ;)
lol yeah
Haha what the fuck I really did NOT think they would do that to r/piracy of all things. Ah well fuck them and their shitty IPO. I‘m here with you guys for good, the structure of the fediverse suits our purposes and community better anyway.
I would imagine that can lead to legal troubles endorsing r/piracy willingly?
Accepting it is one thing, but forcing it to open is entirely different.
I would imagine too, but who knows, there is a different set of rules for companies and the rich.
Now that Reddit is asserting direct control over it, maybe they‘ll turn it into an anti-piracy sub to prevent any legal trouble.
Well, they could just say: “We made a script to track every mod who closed their sub, revogate its mod permissions and notify all other mods in the sub with an automatic message”, which basically frees them from any charges regarding community content.
They could, however, be sued for not actively removing illegal content, such as pirated things and MAP related things (e.g. r/jailbait)
Honestly it would probably be easy to force the sub to go dark again via ban by posting direct piracy links.
Well I guess its time to flood r/piracy with magnet links as soon as the new jannies open it.
Also worth flooding them with
linksa map to where they can board the new ship.I’m constantly linking people to Lemmy communities when I’m posting. I’m deleting my account on the 30th but until then I’ll shill for Fediverse
Bonus points if they’re Nintendo games!
why magnet links in particular?
I mean could be any link to copyright material but I generally grab magnet links so shrug
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not sure about the optics of Reddit force-reenabling a subreddit devoted to piracy LOL
Coming soon: rebranding /r/piracy to “pirate cosplay”
Nothing but pictures of John Oliver in maritime garb.
Is this the “sexy john oliver” thing people were talking about?
r/piracy after the IPO: piracy is unethical as it is stealing from the poor (companies). This is a community to discuss how to stop piracy and become responsible and dutiful consumers.
“dutiful consumers” kinda icks me lol
Obvious that this is automated and will be going out to all subs. They definitely wouldn’t go to bat to keep a piracy sub open, unless they’re even dumber than I thought.
automated message, sure. But they demoded just me, which is obviously very exact.
Yeah. Considering the other mod messaged you it definitely seems targeted
Well, what lovely timing to abandon ship
maybe things will (should?) get exciting over on /r/piracy
An interesting point about this, is that previously when people would try to gain control over subs with inactive mods the admins would drag their feet as much as possible. (I’m part of a sub where it took almost a year via several requests for the group of new mods to gain ownership of the sub).
But now some fee-fees got hurt and admins go nuclear and removes mods at lightspeed…btw can the other mods bring you back?
That’s what’s most surprising to me
1: Funny we were all in here like two days ago saying “they’ll probably be happy to have the piracy sub gone”
2: Any member of the existing mod team that helps them is a fucking scab
3: Everyone else has made a good point about some potential liability issues of reddit the corporation wresting control of the piracy subreddit into their own hands
4: There are so many layers of irony with a corporation saying people need to have access to the community that tells them how to commit copyright infringement and then forcing that information into the open despite what its caretakers wish.
If reddit decides to moderate the Piracy subreddit directly, does that mean that they’ll be responsible to respond to DMCA requests? If so, that’s going to be a shitshow all in itself.
Oh shit, I didn’t even notice what subreddit this was. Please PLEASE someone kick down their door (with legal actions) over this.
Imagine fucking up that hard that pirates endorse DMCA
They’ll just put scab mods
They are. That’s why they’re banning subs that are sharing links. R/piracy doesn’t allow the sharing of direct links
lol imagine being so desperate for the protest to come to an end that you are even targeting a community that engages in legally questionable activity.
I’m sure the process of determining what mods to DM was automated, but even so, it’s still pretty funny to me.
So basically, according to Reddit, they own everything on Reddit. That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility. Bold strategy, cotton. They’re basically waiving their net neutrality.
That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility.
Of course not, from reddit’s ToS: "By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.
You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:
When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content." –https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-12-2021
That’s their TOS. Their actions recently — namely undeleting user posts and comments — run directly counter to their TOS. They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.
They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.
Reddit reserves all the rights to everything you post ("When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, etc., etc.), but you alone are responsible for it (“Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.”).
@Lorez “Yes your honor, user ******* gave me all this content and I’m making money out of it, but I have nothing to do with it. I swear”
And it works, see /u/delcake’s comment.
Terms of service are pretty much the legal equivalent of graffiti, they are there to look impressive not mean anything. You’ll struggle to find any legal rulings based on business to consumer TOS because companies know they are very like to get rejected as unenforceable due to discrepancy between the parties and inability to negotiate.
If reddit are asserting control of content by forcibly publishing it (opening private subs and undeleting comments) then there is a very good chance a judge would see them as being responsible for it.
Welcome to the CCP…
It feels so nice to know most Lemmy instances will never shove that bullshit paragraph in Legalese in our faces.
Does this, from a legal standpoint, absolve them of what is hosted on their servers? Especially when they just took steps to make sure it is open for bussiness?
As any good legal question goes, I imagine the answer is one of the many shades of “It depends.”
Ultimately it’s going to come down to how accommodating Reddit wants to be if rightsholders lawyers come around demanding an explanation for why Reddit facilitates the piracy of their works. Generally a platform doesn’t have liability for infringing content posted on it as long as they are responsive to requests to take it down.
Not a lawyer, so not sure how enforceable reddit’s ToS is, but the TL;DR (as I read it) is “you’re responsible for everything you post; reddit owns it.”
Which is essentially what section 230 has given all social media companies. They are absolved from responsibility from what users post, but own it all and can moderate (or fail to) however they want. Companies have all of the control
We need digital rights
Section 230 (often called the 26 words that created the internet) reads:
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
Wikipedia also says:
Section 230©(2) further provides “Good Samaritan” protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the good faith removal or moderation of third-party material they deem “obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.”
I’m also not a lawyer so I have no clue what the ramifications for this are, but I’m guessing that Reddit isn’t liable for stuff people upload as long as the illegal stuff gets removed.
If Reddit undeletes a post, could they be treated as the publisher? At the very least it sounds not very good-samaritan-y of them to do that, so maybe they wouldn’t be protected in that case.
BTW, the supreme court heard a few cases centered around section 230 a few months ago! And Biden called for it to be reformed! So depending on how that goes, the internet could get shaken up soon. We’re in some interesting times.
Except for Switch ROMs that’s where they draw the line
Nobody fucks with Nintendo, or The Mouse.
double post, sorry, delete doesn’t seem to work
Well, good thing that you prepared well in advance and have already built a nice alternative.
Reddit is done
They went easy on you. Some overzealous mod permabanned my entire account for talking about Lemmy. Allegedly against their ‘content guidelines’
Your entire account would have to be admin level wouldn’t it?
Not sure mate. I’ve had a target on my back for the last couple of years I believe. I had a bunch of accounts at one stage for different purposes. I used to post a lot of long-form content: reviews, how-to tech guides etc etc and as a self preservation technique I kept each niche to a seperate account.
Over the last 2 years I had one 11 year old account, one 8 year old account and another few fresher ones perma-banned with no reason given, or just the flimsiest excuse under the sun. I must have really pissed off one of the mods/ admins - they can track you by IP and browser info etc.
Given the size of Reddit, admins don’t check when mods abuse users, I had my 10 yr account with 150K nearly permabanned because of a mod banning me from my own countries sub for posting a non offensive meme on the wrong day.
I wasn’t logged in on a computer, was using Reddit which showed me my local subs by default and the saved login credentials was a different alt.
I was typing a comment reply, realised I wasn’t logged and signed in with the other alt, didn’t realise it wasn’t another local sub and I got suspended Reddit wide for “ban evasion” and nearly lost a decade old major account because a mod in my countries sub abused their position.
I never retaliated, wasn’t rude, didn’t genuinely try to evade the ban and nearly lost a decade of activity.
There are a lot of benefits to the fediverse and I plan on hosting my own personal instance soon.
That was enough to get me to officially sign up here.
Yeah I just joined. Reddit is a sinking ship. Doubt it’ll die but it’s about to change a lot.
I reinvited you in case you care.
cheers. Rejoined
I say transfer as much as you can over here, then nuke the sub completely. The source of knowledge are mostly here now and everything else can be rebuild. We are pirates, we don’t yield easily and can survive anywhere.
Mods can’t nuke the sub, the only thing anyone can do is delete their own user content. However, even then reddit can probably restore it.
I figured. If websites like unddit, ceddit, removeddit etc was able to recover deleted posts and comments, I’m sure the admins can do so too.
But we’re also a crafty bunch. There must be a way to destroy the sub where reddit can’t restore it properly. Like how a user can mass edit their own comments/posts before deleting them, so when reddit restore them back they would only show the edits instead of the originals. Basically use reddit’s own feature against them if we can.
Even small thing like getting rid of the megathread and wiki would discourage people to go into the sub. It’s information that people after, if we get rid of those then there’s no point in going anymore. Slower death and a little anticlimactic that way though.
As far as I know, they only store the last version on the live system. So if you just overwrite it with gibberish and then or don’t delete it, only the backups will have your true comments.
I’m seeing recent comments that dispute this. Users who used power delete suite have discovered their comment history restored against their will
AFAIK all restored comments came from subs that went open again, because removal plugins can‘t remove comments and posts from private subs.
Hmm.
But at least the comments will be useless to the public coz people will only see the edited one right?
And how funny would it be for a corpo like reddit to go out of their way to restore content designed to make piracy easier?
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