Gunshots have reportedly been fired at Donald Trump's rally in Pennsylvania, with the former president rushed off-stage by security staff.
  • Vieric@lemmy.worldEnglish
    614·
    4 months ago

    Whatever damn fool did this has just made the situation about a million times worse. I don’t give a shit who did this, it was the worst move you could have made at the worst time you could have made it.

    And those of you jumping to immediate conspiracy theories need to stop and think about how much we tend to make fun of Republicans for doing literally the exact same thing. Us spending the next 3 days circlejerking each other off our own bullshit conspiracy theories isn’t gonna help the situation, its just gonna make us all look like a bunch of hypocrites. Wait a few days, get whatever info they are willing to give us, and then try to figure out what happened. If it still looks fake or like a false flag or whatever the fuck after that point, whatever. but for gods sake use some critical thinking to get there instead of jumping to conclusions with no info.

    For what its worth, I am extremely anti-trump, I am scared shitless of what will happen should he win a second term. But dear god, please think about the way you all are acting, when you act like the same kind of psychopaths you claim to stand against it is not a good look. please consider that before you post.

  • mean_bean279@lemmy.worldEnglish
    376·
    4 months ago

    Why are people screaming and afraid? Guns are a part of society in America. Unless… they’re dangerous…

          • Ste41th@lemmy.mlEnglish
            7·
            4 months ago

            Clearly they don’t play hard enough considering they missed the guy with a rifle on the roof. That was till he decided to shoot.

            • Maggoty@lemmy.world
              3·
              4 months ago

              There’s no reason to believe he was up there for a long time. He may have fired the minute he got to the roof. Just because you’re good doesn’t mean you win.

              • Ste41th@lemmy.mlEnglish
                8·
                4 months ago

                I mean yeah, however people pointed at the guy on the roof before it happened, so to me law enforcement should have got wind of what was happening before he fired, not only that but the snipers that were with the USSS clearly didn’t spot the guy moving around on a nearby roof until it was too late

      • experbia@lemmy.world
        13·
        4 months ago

        hey it’s not our guys that declared that anything a president does is automatically legal, even something like this. you folks fought for and pushed that ruling through. you’d have to be a special kind of dumb to get upset that you’re getting shot at when you’ve expressly legalized the act of shooting at people. great “law and order” move guys, you legalized all the so-called “biden crime family” actions to make sure your guy can do whatever he wants when he becomes king. i guess they’re just the normal biden family now thanks to y’all.

  • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
    262·
    4 months ago

    Could history please have the decency not to re-enact how Hitler survived dozens of assassination attempts?

          • kn0wmad1c@programming.devEnglish
            23·
            4 months ago

            It will galvanize his base, who were already voting for him, to be sure. But I doubt this will swing many voters. Trump is still Trump, regardless of assassination attempt.

            • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
              25·
              4 months ago

              But I doubt this will swing many voters.

              Then you are incredibly historically naive. He was already winning by every available metric. So, if nothing had changed at all there was already an extremely high likelihood of him being reelected. This only serves to further strengthen his chances.

              I don’t think people really understand how stupid, brainwashed, and weak minded the average American truly is. There are plenty of people who will vote for him because surviving an assassination attempt makes him look strong. Count on it.

              • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                22·
                4 months ago

                He was already winning by every available metric.

                I just looked for myself, and NPR/PBS survey has Biden ahead. Many other polls have it basically tied. A few have Trump in the lead by 2-3 points.

                I wouldn’t personally call that winning by every available metric, although I would agree with you that it looks like Trump has a slight lead.

                • candybrie@lemmy.world
                  7·
                  4 months ago

                  Were those national popular vote polls? If so, you have to factor in the electoral advantage Republicans have. If the national popular vote is tied, Republicans will win.

                • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
                  3·
                  4 months ago

                  Individual polls are meaningless. I only care about the trends of the the aggregate polling. Five Thirty Eight has had Trump leading by an average of 2 points in aggregate polling basically from the beginning. There has never been a time where Biden was ahead during this election cycle. Therefore, using the available metrics it is clear that Donald Trump is on the path to returning to the White House.

              • kn0wmad1c@programming.devEnglish
                16·
                4 months ago

                You could make points without calling the other person naive. No need to make the internet a worse place.

                As far as “every available metric” goes, you’re talking polls, and polls are garbage. Every poll had Clinton winning in late October 2016.

                And we’re in an unprecedented portion of politics in American history, so bringing up historical measurements doesn’t convince me like you think it would.

                • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  4 months ago

                  We will see who did the proper analysis in 4 months time. I’m really hoping it won’t be me. Unfortunately, I am also certain that I am correct.

              • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
                4·
                4 months ago

                You’re confusing the average American with the republikkklown voters. That’s not even close to average. The average voter knows he’s a racist rapist with 34 felonies that caused a failed insurrection. They won’t forget. They will vote and your wanna be dictator will do what he’s best at… LOSING.

                • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
                  3·
                  4 months ago

                  I know you want to stick me in that bubble to make yourself feel better. I hated Donald Trump long before 2016. I knew about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein before that name was even in the public lexicon. I’ve been following the downfall of the Amerikan Empire since as long as I have been politically aware. This is just the latest dominoe to fall.

    • pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      4 months ago

      Haha that was my second thought (my first one was shock that something like that can happen - it means dangerous times are coming for democracy)

    • emax_gomax@lemmy.world
      124·
      4 months ago

      I don’t think vote to obscurity can apply here. Trump will always have a platform because he is a living engagement machine and that drives the Internet mad. He wins he’s the top story, he loses he’s the top story, he gets convicted he’s the top story. The man is immortal in the worst way possible and the world is basically f*cked.

      • Delusional@lemmy.world
        49·
        4 months ago

        I miss the short years where we heard nothing from the piece of shit right after the 2020 election.

      • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        4 months ago

        Nah, this is just want Trumpers want you to believe. He gets attention because he’s genuinely trying to foment a fascist overthrow of the government, not because he’s some media mastermind.

      • ProtecyaTec@lemmy.world
        4·
        4 months ago

        Trump will always have a platform because…

        Yeah, but for how many more years? There’s absolutely no way he’d run again if he loses, so it’s really just a short ticking clock.

          • sgtgig@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            4 months ago

            I don’t think this is going to energize anyone four months from now. Attention spans are too short.

          • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
            11·
            4 months ago

            Those that were going to stay home because he’s a rapist with 34 felonies will still stay home. This means nothing unless it comes out that it was a planned stunt, then he loses whatever credibility he had. Wait, never mind, he has zero credibility so his cult won’t give two shits and will continue to do and think whatever fox “news” tells them to do.

          • takeda@lemmy.world
            4·
            4 months ago

            like vote by mail? Because the snowflakes that I know do exactly that after being so against it.

        • anon@lemm.ee
          4·
          4 months ago

          so it’s just an attendance issue that he won one and lost one, or fraud?

          • freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world
            16·
            4 months ago

            Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton by 2.9 million votes. He lost to Biden by 8.8 million votes. The last Republican president to win the popular vote was George W. Bush.

            It’s a Republican’s best friend, the Electoral college. More people want progressive candidates, not regressive backwards criminals.

            • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
              10·
              4 months ago

              He was elected by the minority of the population, and with the help of a Senate that represents a minority of the population, appointed a third of the Supreme Court.

              Minority rule is here.

            • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              4 months ago

              With a more representative electoral system (like Ranked Choice voting) Republicans would be free to place a more moderate candidate as their first vote, assured in the knowledge that their vote would still count against the people they don’t want in office.

      • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
        50·
        4 months ago

        In the short term, I am expecting right-wing nutjobs to do their own sort of retaliatory shootings, targeting whomever their personal info bubble blames as a group.

          • LustyArgonian@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            4 months ago

            Further violence and a mild Civil War are not best case scenario. Queer people dying for your cause is not best case scenario.

            Best case scenario (and what seems to be the alt theory on literally every social I have, and on some I don’t have), is that everyone believes this was a false flag (and/or there’s evidence it was a false flag). That fact that so many people IMMEDIATELY questioned the shooting is a really good sign. People just don’t trust him at all. Boy Who Cried Wolf etc

      • 🖖USS-Ethernet@startrek.websiteEnglish
        50·
        4 months ago

        My thoughts exactly, the right will eat this up and use this the rest of the race. Anyone who was on the edge for voting for him probably just made up their minds. They’ll blame the left for this.

        Update: annnd it begins…

      • ProtecyaTec@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 months ago

        Nobody is changing their vote over this shit. Democrats are pretty entrenched in not Trump. They knew what was at stake this election as soon as Trump stepped back up.

    • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
      96·
      4 months ago

      This is the one possible scenario that could make things even worse. They can’t replace the head of the snake, but they can sure as fuck pump that the head was shot and injured. They did the same with Hitler.

      History is repeating itself far to close for this to be comfortable.

    • Mokopa@lemmy.world
      25·
      4 months ago

      That was my first thought too, but then it looks pretty realistic, and he’s a terrible actor…

      • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz
        9·
        4 months ago

        if we get a video showing something changing on his face before he touches it or falls to the ground, I think that would rule out false flag, or at least they would have had to actually shoot something at him to do that.

      • SendMePhotos@lemmy.world
        9·
        4 months ago

        Can’t say that’s necessarily true (that last bit). They are sworn in to duty to protect current or past president’s with their life, regardless of personal belief.

        My perspective is that the secret service guys are bound to life.

        • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          4 months ago

          I recalled hearing a couple things over the course of the Jan 6th impeachment hearings, which is the President has some say in who his personal detail is, and that there was some info pertaining to them being supportive of him personally. I’d have to review to be certain though.

        • rdrunner@lemmy.world
          5·
          4 months ago

          I know a couple current and former USSS agents, they’re hardcore trump supporters. That’s not to say they all are as I don’t know them all, but they are law enforcement after all.

  • VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
    144·
    4 months ago

    This was the worst possible outcome. Unless someone intends on finishing the job it may as well be his election now.

    He’ll spend the rest of the election telling people how strong he is, how Biden could not have survived and he’ll use the attack to validate all his claims of Democrat corruption/Republican righteousness.

  • BigMacHole@lemm.ee
    89·
    4 months ago

    Why were people Scared? Guns are SAFE! Guns are SO SAFE that they’re trying to FORCE them into Schools! It would be INCREDIBLY FUCKED UP if the same people who RAN AWAY from the Guns want to FORCE OUR KIDS into that Situation EVERY DAY!

    • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
      9·
      4 months ago

      Honestly, folks didn’t look that scared. I’d have been diving the fuck off those bleachers, but not these magas.

      • I'm back on my BS 🤪@lemmy.autism.placeEnglish
        18·
        4 months ago

        There were two dudes that didn’t even know what was happening. Like one guy looked like he was the offensive head coach waiting for the referee/official to announce the reason for the flag on the play and the other guy was wondering if Slash from Guns N Roses was coming out.

  • FireTower@lemmy.world
    85·
    4 months ago

    It seem like he was hit. Blood was on his right ear in one shot. Unclear if that’s because he was hit there or if he touched it after touching something else bloody.

    He was escorted away on foot with secret service.

    Edit: reports that one bystander and the shooter are now dead.

    Claims the suspect was a man named Mark Violets. (This ID may be wrong no official sources covering this)

    Biden condemns the act.

            • KingJalopy @lemm.ee
              15·
              4 months ago

              The biggest. People are always telling him just how big of pussy he is. Maybe the greatest pussy of all time.

            • experbia@lemmy.world
              10·
              4 months ago

              I really hate the guy but if you’ve never had a near-death experience you wouldn’t understand that your logic is a bit weird in the moment. it takes more than a couple of moments for your brain to catch up with reality. his shoes are special thick lift shoes to make him seem way taller because he’s extremely vain. if he fell out of his awkward tall shoes when he ducked, he probably would have been preoccupied in the moment with not appearing short and weak (his true form) until the reality caught up to him. I don’t doubt at all that some sycophantic pr stooge was yelling into his earpiece to “look triumphant, look triumphant!!” when he was getting back up though.

        • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
          27·
          4 months ago

          Very unlikely, it’s an easy intuitive thing to think when emotions are high, and there is so much at stake with the election and division so high, that emotions are high as well.

          Having a shooter miss you on purpose is something that is extremely risky, not easy to stage, and the US has enough armed people with emotions boiling over and little to lose. It is very much the overwhelmingly more likely scenario.

            • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
              22·
              4 months ago

              At this point, we know very little, but with what we do know at the moment - for this, you’d need:

              • someone willing to be taken out as the shooter, willing to or being tricked into shooting blanks, or an extremely elaborate plan to switch in a body (you also have to acquire and prepare somewhere) in front of witnesses and potential cameras
              • someone without blanks firing to explain the other bystanders dead from bullets
              • complete control over the subsequent investigation, to make sure no one looks into it properly, which would make all the people involved in the know

              It is still an extremely, extremely unlikely scenario

            • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldΕλληνικά
              2·
              4 months ago

              Or just use a razor and actually cut your ear. I’d say someone took their shot and missed. He happened to turn his head at the last moment, or the shot would have made a solid hit.

            • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
              15·
              4 months ago

              The reports I am hearing say that at least two people besides the shooter are dead, which probably is where (some of) the other bullets went. Dude is a coward, but also a narcissist, I assume he noticed that the Secret Service had already killed the shooter, so immediately switched into “I am invincible” mode.

                • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
                  5·
                  4 months ago

                  Again, I understand it as an intuitive reaction, but the world is a lot more chaotic than that, and huge conspiracies coordinated well like that are super, super rare. Waiting and being willing to adjust your position is a good thing to do right now. With more stuff coming out, the situation will become more clear.

            • takeda@lemmy.world
              2·
              4 months ago

              I wouldn’t be surprised that it was a collateral damage when SS was trying to kill the shooter.

          • memfree@lemmy.ml
            10·
            4 months ago

            CNN speculated that lots of those shots were the Secret Service returning fire. They are reporting on TV that you can hear them saying “Shooter down” and that it was then safe to move Trump. I couldn’t hear that, but someone on TV said they could hear that in the chatter.

      • dactylotheca@suppo.fiEnglish
        36·
        4 months ago

        Yeah this is not going to result in anything good. I keep thinking about what’s happened after Robert Fico got shot, basically how it’s being used as a confirmation of everything bad his supporters believe about his opponents and as a justification for further sliding into authoritarianism

        • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org
          12·
          4 months ago

          Yeah, this is my real fear with all of this. Trump is definitely going to feed on his new victimhood to further rally his supporters and make them more extreme.

      • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
        26·
        4 months ago

        Yep.

        I fully expect at least several “retaliatory” attacks against democrats in the next week by rabid MAGAts.

        Edit Suprised the mods havent deleted this yet, consindering how hog wild they are going and labeling everything conspiracy and deleting it.

        • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          6·
          4 months ago

          So at the end there…

          expressing their feelings about news media? Unless there’s someone with a blue hat somewhere behind the camera (or they were leading the perp away back there). All speculation here to be clear, not that it’s too critical of an issue in the larger scheme of the incident.

          • HonkyTonkWoman@lemm.ee
            4·
            4 months ago

            NBC was reporting that the crowd had turned on the press, which may be what’s happening here… but again, speculation.

          • Gerudo@lemm.ee
            4·
            4 months ago

            This fucking idiot was being shot at, and he refuses to get off the stage so he can fist up rile the crowd?

      • Montagge@lemmy.zip
        11·
        4 months ago

        What happens next was going to happen eventually anyways. It’s been too late for a long time.

        • DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          15·
          4 months ago

          I’m finding it so bizarre to witness this mass cognitive dissonance where people can make the connection to Hitler’s rise to power, but not to the heroic act so many claim they would perform themselves if they had a time machine…

          It’s almost like they need a few million marginalised people to die first, just to be sure…

    • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.caEnglish
      32·
      4 months ago

      It could easily be blood from falling to the ground or even getting jumped on by the secret service, old people bleed easily.

      I’d be amazed if that was blood from a gunshot, if it was he missed dying by literally an inch.

      • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        4 months ago

        I wonder whether that agent was just waiting for his chance to clock him good

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
      6·
      4 months ago

      The shooter is dead? Did someone just say this on live TV? Who?

      Source pleaaaase.

      Only bystander I’ve heard about being hit is Wolf interviewing a guy who says he saw a General with a gunshot wound to the head.

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
          13·
          4 months ago

          Well fuck. Yep, CNN is now saying the shooter is dead.

          Guy was actually dumb enough to do it from inside the crowd, and he got murdered by them.

          What a shitshow.

          EDIT: Shooter is dead, but was not in the crowd. Was on a building’s roof outside the event and got obliterated by counter sniper fire.

          He was reported to have been shot in the head, thus the so-far lack of images showing what may be quite a mutilated head.

  • takeda@lemmy.worldEnglish
    79·
    4 months ago

    So 3 shots fired (rest were more rapid, so looked like SS responding), 2 people died, only trump get out of it without any major issue. A grazed ear implies that he survived by mere centimeters.

    Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.

    He was trying to get people rioting on J6 (but that while succeeded, fortunately got stopped), he tried people to riot when he had criminal trial (didn’t work at all), and now in the heat of the moment, he thought that was perfect time to try it again?

    For sake of everyone I hope this will also be unsuccessful. I’m glad Democrats quickly condemned this (this is something we quite missed in 2017-2020 when similar events happened).

    • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
      64·
      4 months ago

      Tbh I’m surprised this hasn’t happened sooner to him or the Supreme Court. Not that I endorse violence, I’m just kind of surprised considering all the violence the right wing has perpetrated up to now. It’s really a last resort for everyone else.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          3·
          4 months ago

          As I said to someone else- that is the literal definition of a martyr, not the political concept of a martyr. The latter is what matters. There are plenty of examples of political martyrs who survived and did well because of it. The most prominent right now is the House Majority Leader, Steve Scalise, who survived the mass shooter at the congressional baseball game a few years ago and has been riding that sympathy wave ever since.

      • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        Right, like how they all rose up during the BLM riots. Trump supporters won’t do anything. If they do a lot of people will defend themselves from them.

        • daltotron@lemmy.ml
          1·
          4 months ago

          I do think people are becoming overly worried about this sort of thing having a negative effect, or a large amount of sway. I haven’t seen really anyone who doesn’t have a schizo political affiliation actually commit these sorts of things. The guy who killed shinzo abe killed him for affiliation with a cult, the guy who tried to kill reagan shot him because he was undiagnosed and thought a celebrity wanted him to do it.

          I don’t think the right wing has enough support broadly, and the hardcore groyper trump types definitely don’t have enough support, in order to actually have some sort of large scale mass riot or protest like with BLM. Charlottesville is about the best they’re gonna be able to do. But despite their relatively lower numbers, and we’re talking like, a fraction of a fraction of a fraction here, we’ve seen that they are overwhelmingly ready to commit political violence over other political groups, as one might predict and as we saw during BLM. I agree with lots of people that are saying we might get retaliatory attacks from this, but I’m also agreeing that those might’ve happened anyways just as well, or might’ve happened for any other reason, it’s really hard to tell.

          Your average trump supporter, though, I’d be incredibly surprised if they did anything, and I don’t think this is going to result in civil war despite how much people seem to want to manifest that as a reality. I’m more concerned with how this has probably just ensured that he’s gonna get back in the white house.

    • fxt_ryknow@lemmy.world
      12·
      4 months ago

      Glad your happy… You going to be happy when his base rallies now, too?

      I love how left leaning all of lemmy is… But the comments encouraging the violence or disappointment in the fact the shooter “missed”, seems off.

      • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.world
        3·
        4 months ago

        All emotions, big on rhetoric, not so good on repurcussions & consequences for actions.

        However. I don’t see much really coming from this, just a galvanized Trump base. Maybe some switcjes in the middle. And I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a false flag, “Oooo, LOOK, now we’ve found a conservative that wants to kill Biden! Both sides!”

        …except nobody’s dumb enough to assassinate a senile lame duck. And everybody knows, nobody wants Kamala as POTUS. 🙄

      • kitnaht@lemmy.world
        3·
        4 months ago

        Glad your you’re happy…

        ftfy.

        Tell me any time in history where fascism has just said “You know what? You’re right. The votes say it all, we’re just gonna knock it off now…”

        Violence has always been the thing that gets response. Without it, your begging and pleading is toothless. You’ll continue to get stomped on, you’ll continue to have your rights stripped away. You’ll continue to roll backwards in history until someone else says “You know what, this has gone too far…” and…uses violence to put an end to it.

        You know why the pen is mightier than the sword? Because the pen can rally millions of swords in its place.