Vance is one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

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Vance has said that it would be “completely irresponsible” for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

“Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you’re gonna have a peace deal, because that’s the only way out of the conflict,” Vance said in February.

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    You can not like their beliefs, but this was was completely avoidable, and the idea that russia invaded Ukraine and Georgia due to expansionism is a lie, and the people telling you this are aware it a lie.

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      Yeah, if russia didn’t want to expand it’s territory, it would have been avoided. However that’s not the case, it’s not a lie. Why would countries join a defensive pact around russia if russia wasn’t eyeballing their territory?

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        You are just repeating the propaganda talking points. NATO knew that it was the reddest of red lines, and they did it anyways. You can not like it, but its the known consequence of the action.

        You should be asking; why would NATO take a completely unnecessary action that would cause a war. But I guess if you keep looking at russia, then you wont think about what is happening.

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          You are just repeating the propaganda talking points. russia knew that it was the reddest of red lines, and they did it anyways. You can not like it, but its the known consequence of the action.

          You should be asking; why would russia take a completely unnecessary action that would cause a war. But I guess if you keep looking at NATO, then you wont think about what is happening.

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            Uh… this is not the kind of statement you can just switch the names on and it makes sense…

            • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
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              It absolutely is. In fact it makes sense when I switched it. You are minimizing the death and destruction that russia, and russia alone is causing to Ukraine. You are blaming nato, a defensive alliance, meant to keep each other safe from russian/warsaw countries aggression. The only country that is to blame for the war is russia. And to suggest otherwise is an insult to the people who are fighting for their right not to be oppressed by putin and his cronies.