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    4 months ago

    Again, the fact that secondary meanings for words exist doesn’t make you right to call Jewish people nazis. It is an antisemitic thing to do. That doesn’t mean that you are or aren’t that but the action itself.

    Why are you so married to calling Jewish people a term that will ensure that anyone outside of cliques like this will automatically dismiss anything else you have to say?

    I’m not so keen on them myself. I’m just fascinated to what someone attempt and fail spectacularly to justify calling Jewish people nazis. I mean, if you are using in the way that people would call someone a grammar nazi or just generally nasty, why do you have to use that specific word and not any of the others that would work just as well.

    It jut doesn’t add up does it?

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      4 months ago

      You’re the only one who who’s talking about the Jewish people.

      We’re calling Israelis nazis, because nazi is a synonym for a fascist, and the holocaust going on in Palestine is definitely one fascist clusterfuck and worse than a lot of things rhe actual historical Nazis did.

      Netanyahu and his friends are worse than a lot of actual, literal, Nazi party members.

      https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

      On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

      Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute; Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)©(i); Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i); Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity; Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h); Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).

      We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were committed as part of a widespread and systematic attack against the Palestinian civilian population pursuant to State policy. These crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

      My Office submits that the evidence we have collected, including interviews with survivors and eyewitnesses, authenticated video, photo and audio material, satellite imagery and statements from the alleged perpetrator group, shows that Israel has intentionally and systematically deprived the civilian population in all parts of Gaza of objects indispensable to human survival.

      “Fail spectacularly”? Like someone who gets downvoted to shit and who has several people replying to him how he’s wrong and I’m right and that you don’t understand the very basics of linguistics and that the “arguments” they’re making are asinine as hell, such as “using colloquial language to describe the fascist actions of Israel is 100% antisemitic” ? That kind of a spectacular fail…? ;>

      No-one else is saying “the Jewish people”. We’re calling Israeli soldiers and their leaders nazis. Because it’s linguistically correct.

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        4 months ago

        Its an antisemitic action. If you don’t intend on doing antisemitic things, do something else. It doesn’t mean that genocide isn’t happening in Palestine. It doesn’t mean that words don’t have secondary meanings either.

        I’m ok for ad. populums but thanks all the same. Its a very sad reflection on you that you would think it would bother someone.

        If I didn’t understand "the very basis of linguistics, why would you write to me? Come on now. Think before you talk.

        Again, why do you HAVE to use that one word. Why can’t it be replaced by fascist, genocidal facsist or whatever? Why do you refuse to back down over using the one word that makes people dismiss what people say about Palestine?

        Its almost as if you care more for calling Jewish people nazis than you do raising awareness of the genocide going on in gaza.

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          4 months ago

          It’s not action, it’s expression.

          If I didn’t understand "the very basis of linguistics, why would you write to me? Come on now. Think before you talk.

          Hahahahahhahahaha. I can’t believe you wrote that. This is THE most hilarious and ironic thing I’ve read in weeks. Your understanding of linguistics is so bad, that you’re using it in place of “language”, thinking they are synonyms, which they are NOT. That is. BRILLIANT. Fking saved. :D Thank you.

          Again, what’s with the obsession to make this about Judaism? Why do you constantly try to shift discussion from Israel to Jewish people in general? Why?

          If one chooses on purpose to call Israelis Nazis, perhaps it’s because it’s extremely ironic the #neveragain people are committing a holocaust themselves. Since you accept that Israel is genociding Palestinians, do you not find it ironic?

          So here are the facts: Israel is doing heinous fascist shit. “Nazi” is a synonym for fascist.

          You don’t disagree with the first fact. You don’t disagree with the second fact. But you’re still not ready to accept, even in part, that you didn’t understand what “prescriptive” and “descriptive” meant before this thread and now you’re DESPERATELY trying to save your spectacular fail, by trying somehow to ignore your own errors.

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            4 months ago

            “The very basics of linguistics”

            Yeah, not knowing the very basics would preclude someone from reading. Your unhinged reply was very funny though. The more "haha"s you write, the more believable and less desperate it sounds…

            Its very ironic yes. Still doesn’t make it ok or not OK though does it? Its so sad to see someone who thinks they’re so much smarter than they actually are have to resort to this kind of thing, to maintain their delusion.

            The point is, it doesn’t matter if the use here prescriptive or not. It would still fall under the definition of an antisemitic thing to do. It bizzare that you ever convinced yourself that it would change anything. If you reject the EHRC definition of antisemitism, then thats one thing but to think you can get around it with something like that is just tragic.

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              Yeah, not knowing the very basics would preclude someone from reading. Your unhinged reply was very funny though. The more "haha"s you write, the more believable and less desperate it sounds…

              No. Fucking. Way. This is comedy gold and you’re genuinely making my sides hurt, as I broke a rib on the weekend and I can’t help laughing. Even though I explicitly explained your last mistake, you made it again, digging in your heels to your stupidity, when I gave you an out from that shame? ABsolutely brilliant. :D

              LINGUISTICS /lɪŋˈɡwɪstɪks/ noun noun: linguistics

              the scientific study of language and its structure, including the study of grammar, syntax, and phonetics. Specific branches of linguistics include sociolinguistics, dialectology, psycholinguistics, computational linguistics, comparative linguistics, and structural linguistics.

              as opposed to “LANGUAGE”

              LANGUAGE /ˈlaŋɡwɪdʒ/ noun noun: language; plural noun: languages

              >the principal method of human communication, consisting of words used in a structured and conventional way and conveyed by speech, writing, or gesture.
              

              Not knowing THE LANGUAGE would preclude you from reading. Not knowing linguistics doesn’t. That’s like saying that if you haven’t studied psychology, that you can’t have emotions. Or that you can’t drive a car if you’re not a mechanic. Or that you can’t vote if you’re not a politician.

              Absolutely HILARIOUS of a reply, which makes it very clear for anyone reading this just how valid your opinions on language use are. :D

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                4 months ago

                Oh, so maybe you could explain how someone could read without any knowledge of even basic grammar or knowledge of the structure of the language they’re reading?

                So, are you saying you reject their definition of antisemitism or not? I must have missed it in amongst all of your maturity in dealing with opposing opinions.

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                  4 months ago

                  Perhaps you can explain how people can manage to drive cars without understanding the basics of mechanical engineering? HOW? Perhaps because driving a car and building one is different?

                  Just like using language and studying it? Humans have something called language acquisition. It’s a term you’d definitely hear in any sort of a beginner linguistics class, probably on the first lesson. There’s also a very strong reason why it’s not called “linguistics acquisition”. Can you perhaps already piece it together from all the things I’ve explicitly tought you? (And you don’t understand how hard you’re projecting when you write things like “maybe you should’ve googled a few things before replying”?)

                  See the thing I said about you being literally unable to accept mistakes? This is one of them. And you won’t be able to accept the fact that you confused “linguistics” with “language”. When it’s right there, for all to see.

                  #HI-LA-RI-OUS

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                    You would still need to has some basic understanding of grammar and to have studied the structure, grammar and syntax to be able to read. You walked yourself into a dead end there and now you’re trying to insult your way out of it. It might work on some but that won’t work on me.

                    I’ve made lots of mistakes in my life. One would be engaging with someone like you, with such poor social skills. There you go, one mistake admitted. So, no only are you wrong, there’s literally no way you could ever tell if I was

                    literally unable to accept mistakes

                    It seems that, instead, you were just shame dumbing from yourself, all the while claiming that I’m projecting, without a hint of irony. I haven’t seen it to your extent in the wild for a long time.