Only part of it. Everyone that forces you into a corner with nowhere else to go. Endure unfair rent, endure shitty jobs with shitty pay. Boomers and part of my generation were the last (here at least, can’t judge other countries) where appartments searched for tenants and jobs searched for people.
We managed to turn it around. If you now place an ad for a job or an apt, you’re drowning in applications in mere minutes. Literally. No matter how shitty either of which is. Housing-market especially. It’s like dating for ugly and poor men. Probably even worse.
That’s the dream of landlords and employers. And mass-immigration made it possible. e.G. my home-city went from 350.000 people to >600.000 in just a generation. Nearly same amount of apts and jobs. It shows :-)
Also, guess what. I can be part of the problem and still dislike it, even though i highly profit from it. I didn’t make the rules.
Please look up actual statistics on population figures and housing market before making claims like that.
Nearly all urbanisation is driven by people relocating inside the country, not immigrants, and nearly all cities with massive affordable housing problems have huge amounts of empty flats that are kept off the market, artificially price inflated or are only used for short term holiday rentals.
Seriously, look it up for your city. Usually these figures are available online if you look a bit for them.
Nope, there isn’t. Without a good reason it’s forbidden. Sadly so, would drive prices even higher.
And the “actual statistic” are obvious: Population nearly doubled. Fact. Still the same space and only a fraction of what would be needed have been built new. Fact.
Less of something available with risen demand for it? Prices rise. Simple as that.
And even IF it would be as you said, wouldn’t change a thing about immigrants. They’re on top of the problem ypu describe.
Can’t speak for the US though.
There are past migrants too that procreate way more than we do.
But why should i even argue? It’s simple logic.
Even if everyone of us had 1 child. Including past immigrants and not counting them, every coming immigrant is a +1 we didn’t want nor need.
Doesn’t matter how well they integrate or not. It’s just population = population +1
I have never heard so much e. G. ukranian in my life. Those hundreds of thousands need room to live.
But if you want to believe in your theory of how additional people don’t matter, sure. Go ahed. I don’t mind. It’s people like you that helped bring us here. Thanks. I hate work anyway 😁
Look, I am not denying that the population in your city might have doubled in recent years, its a common trend with urbanisation in many places. And of course such growth puts strain on a cities services and creates a lot of competition in the housing market.
But, nearly everywhere this trend isn’t driven by first or second generation immigrants, like you imply. It is usually driven by the native population that relocates from rural areas and smaller cities to larger cities.
The argument that every extra person makes it worse is laughable when the extra persons we talk about here make up such a small percentage of the overall issue and often don’t even compete for housing as they are placed in government run group-housing.
Not dodging.
Well if the sole reason is relocating to cities, then the outskirts or far-away-places should be cheap as shit right?
Guess what, it’s not different. Prices went up, demand grew, space is still the same.
I don’t understand why you totally not see a problem with 15% of the population being immigrants that weren’t here before. How can they not be a major part of the problem?
And yes, they compete for gov-run grooup-housing. But so do the “natives”.
Anyhow, be it as it may, i don’t really care (beside profiting from whatever the real reaso is). The next generation will have to deal with it. I didn’t add kids to this world, i have no stake in the future.
No, why would the outskirts be cheaper? The opposite happens as the more affluent move to the suburbs.
And please look up the actual figure. Refugees are less than 2% of the population in the EU for example. Of course if you identify everyone with generations old immigration background you can reach maybe 15% but those are no less “native” than all the others that move to the cities.
And no, the refugee “camps” that I politely described as group housing are not open to non-refugees.
Dude. Not one ukrainian is living in said group-housing. I thought you refered to social housing by the gov.
But those in the refugee-camps (why so polite, it’s literally what they are) either leave or can stay and occupy another apt.
Yeah i like your logic. An immigrant being here for a generation stops being one. Okay, whatever. It’s still a +1 that was not supposed to be here.
But i get it, we taught you long enough these values of diversity and being liberal and open, and now we reap the profits. I’m game.
Only part of it. Everyone that forces you into a corner with nowhere else to go. Endure unfair rent, endure shitty jobs with shitty pay. Boomers and part of my generation were the last (here at least, can’t judge other countries) where appartments searched for tenants and jobs searched for people. We managed to turn it around. If you now place an ad for a job or an apt, you’re drowning in applications in mere minutes. Literally. No matter how shitty either of which is. Housing-market especially. It’s like dating for ugly and poor men. Probably even worse.
That’s the dream of landlords and employers. And mass-immigration made it possible. e.G. my home-city went from 350.000 people to >600.000 in just a generation. Nearly same amount of apts and jobs. It shows :-)
Also, guess what. I can be part of the problem and still dislike it, even though i highly profit from it. I didn’t make the rules.
Please look up actual statistics on population figures and housing market before making claims like that.
Nearly all urbanisation is driven by people relocating inside the country, not immigrants, and nearly all cities with massive affordable housing problems have huge amounts of empty flats that are kept off the market, artificially price inflated or are only used for short term holiday rentals.
Seriously, look it up for your city. Usually these figures are available online if you look a bit for them.
Nope, there isn’t. Without a good reason it’s forbidden. Sadly so, would drive prices even higher. And the “actual statistic” are obvious: Population nearly doubled. Fact. Still the same space and only a fraction of what would be needed have been built new. Fact. Less of something available with risen demand for it? Prices rise. Simple as that.
And even IF it would be as you said, wouldn’t change a thing about immigrants. They’re on top of the problem ypu describe. Can’t speak for the US though.
Come on… doubled from where? You don’t know? Look it up. Very unlikely due to immigrants.
There are past migrants too that procreate way more than we do. But why should i even argue? It’s simple logic. Even if everyone of us had 1 child. Including past immigrants and not counting them, every coming immigrant is a +1 we didn’t want nor need. Doesn’t matter how well they integrate or not. It’s just population = population +1
I have never heard so much e. G. ukranian in my life. Those hundreds of thousands need room to live.
But if you want to believe in your theory of how additional people don’t matter, sure. Go ahed. I don’t mind. It’s people like you that helped bring us here. Thanks. I hate work anyway 😁
Dodging the question, I see 🙄
Look, I am not denying that the population in your city might have doubled in recent years, its a common trend with urbanisation in many places. And of course such growth puts strain on a cities services and creates a lot of competition in the housing market.
But, nearly everywhere this trend isn’t driven by first or second generation immigrants, like you imply. It is usually driven by the native population that relocates from rural areas and smaller cities to larger cities.
The argument that every extra person makes it worse is laughable when the extra persons we talk about here make up such a small percentage of the overall issue and often don’t even compete for housing as they are placed in government run group-housing.
Not dodging. Well if the sole reason is relocating to cities, then the outskirts or far-away-places should be cheap as shit right? Guess what, it’s not different. Prices went up, demand grew, space is still the same.
I don’t understand why you totally not see a problem with 15% of the population being immigrants that weren’t here before. How can they not be a major part of the problem? And yes, they compete for gov-run grooup-housing. But so do the “natives”.
Anyhow, be it as it may, i don’t really care (beside profiting from whatever the real reaso is). The next generation will have to deal with it. I didn’t add kids to this world, i have no stake in the future.
No, why would the outskirts be cheaper? The opposite happens as the more affluent move to the suburbs.
And please look up the actual figure. Refugees are less than 2% of the population in the EU for example. Of course if you identify everyone with generations old immigration background you can reach maybe 15% but those are no less “native” than all the others that move to the cities.
And no, the refugee “camps” that I politely described as group housing are not open to non-refugees.
Dude. Not one ukrainian is living in said group-housing. I thought you refered to social housing by the gov. But those in the refugee-camps (why so polite, it’s literally what they are) either leave or can stay and occupy another apt.
Yeah i like your logic. An immigrant being here for a generation stops being one. Okay, whatever. It’s still a +1 that was not supposed to be here.
But i get it, we taught you long enough these values of diversity and being liberal and open, and now we reap the profits. I’m game.