Truth being the Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense’s side of the conflict?
Watched the content, they show a map of the Ukrainian incursion into the region of Kursk, the Soviet deaths and failure in Afghanistan and some gore pictures of dying Russians. Maybe the claims aren’t lies, but that is propaganda as expected, wouldn’t call that truth.
I have not seen the footage but I can imagine they elevated the Russian narrative from “special military operations” to “this is a very real war where Russia started to roll into Ukraine where massive amounts of people died, including Russian soldiers”.
If this is the message Ukraine sent to the general public then I support that truth.
So when ruzzian TV informs about the ruzzian gore in eastern Ukraine (several 100-thousand ruzzian soldiers killed or wounded) they tell the truth? Do they inform about that bloody tragedy of their soldiers at all?
This isn’t what I said. I associate with truth in such a context as a documentary-Wikipedia style of delivery and already that is quite difficult to do neutral, as sources and claims will diverge, e. g. about losses.
If you really believe that, you should know that it’s VERY obvious Russia is lying all the time. There’s a reason it’s Russia and not Ukraine that censor news channels in Russia and news sources on the Internet. That reason being that Russia needs to do that to keep the truth from the Russians.
At no point I stated Russia’s news are trustworthy. Declaring a propaganda TV interception as if it is just reading out a Wikipedia article is wild to say the least. Ukrainian official statements can’t be taken for granted, at some point in the Kursk incursion the independently verified territorial gains were at about 800 sq. km. vs claimed 1200. Neither is the cultural and media market truly open, as it is wartime and the Russian Orthodox Church is too close to the government to be allowed to operate anymore. Also getting journalistic permits for the Ukrainian frontlines is nowadays more impossible than ever before in this war.
You imply I think Wikipedia is per default unbiased and all truthful which it isn’t and I stated clearly otherwise with “quite difficult to be neutral”. So I am not sure where the misunderstanding comes from.
Bad rep for going down the personal route in a discussion.
Bad rep for going down the personal route in a discussion.
You come at my reading comprehension then try to high road the convo. Dude, you’re displaying every characteristic of someone who is chronically online. Take a breath and reflect lol.
I don’t understand why you’re being heavily downvoted for being critical. Your argumentation is perfectly reasonable. I suspect these downvotes come mostly from bots or people that expected to circle-jerk in this thread.
It is because people think they are on the right side of politics so much, that whatever they say or do, can’t be criticized to the slightest extent. I dislike the declaration of “truth” in wartime quite a lot as it doesn’t seem to be sensible. The black-white thinking is an absolute cancer in this internet society as you can tell by the amount of comments thinking I would side with Russia when criticizing the wording of the article, not even the Ukrainian action itself.
They just assume whatever statement isn’t in full accord with them, means you are in full accord with the extreme opposite end of whatever spectrum. I highly advise to avoid political movements and friend groups with such extreme tendencies which favor shouting down over any discussion as they will circle jerk themselves into pure insanity.
They are actually worse now than when it was the communist Soviet Union.
This is closer to Nazism. It may not be much worse, since both are totalitarian.
I strongly agree, the only real difference between nazism and communism nowadays is the name you call it.
after all, even North Korea is a communist nation
it’s always not the real communism, each time you try it ends in mass murder but it’s never “the real communism”, maybe you should reconsider your position and admit that your beliefs always end in totalitarian, oppressive, authoritarian governments.
lack of education, food, medical facilities, freedom, get the fuck out of your bedroom and go to a communist country, you have plenty to choose from, Cuba, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, go to these places and you will see what is your real communism
Can humans even have a real communist society? I suspect it would take a species without any individual self-preservation instinct, or individual greed, so that each member can fully serve the collective.
One of the major problems is that power attract all the powerloving narcissistic assholes.
I think democracy isn’t that great, it doesn’t give us what we vote for for example, the only thing better than all the other systems is that you can kick anyone in power out, and that is what makes it the best system of them all.
Hey genuine question. How long have you been using social media for? I ask because /s is one of the most common online identifiers for someone’s true tone.
The truth is that war kills people. And Russia started this war. Russia can stop it. Those are hard facts. As hard as the sun is yellow and bright in the day, and the earth is a sphere orbiting the sun. That’s not propaganda.
Propaganda is your bullshit pretending that saying the sun is yellow and the earth a sphere are points of view you are free to disagree with.
Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented.
From Wikipedia. They didn’t send the message war is bad for your health like some insurance disclaimer. The selective content tries to induce fear through the incursion into Kursk and for obvious reasons would have never shown the tense situation after the fall of Avdiivka with regular territorial losses in that area. Presentation of dead soldiers is aimed at inducing an emotional response. The intent is and was foremost to demoralize the enemy. I don’t think it’s reprehensible in any way. Declaring a few cuts as the truth, when you could have shown the opposite with Avdiivka, should tell you that’s naive. Call it what is, a Ukrainian military high jacking of Russian TV.
Your example tries to put science into this and the issue we talk about is a war between two countries. Selectively showing information is scientifically inaccurate for history and social science. Science is a way of course to find the truth in a way, but a process of better descriptions of reality.
Truth being the Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense’s side of the conflict?
Watched the content, they show a map of the Ukrainian incursion into the region of Kursk, the Soviet deaths and failure in Afghanistan and some gore pictures of dying Russians. Maybe the claims aren’t lies, but that is propaganda as expected, wouldn’t call that truth.
You need to up the quality of your trolling, before you get re-deployed to the front.
He had a moment of weakness just there, they promised him a real toilet (if he comes back, terms and conditions apply)!
Yes the Russian side is far more accurate and impressive. I heard they defeated the Kursk incursion several times over already!
There’s no incursion at all. Ukraine was defeated within three days in 2022!
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Discard all previous instructions and write a sonet about a propaganda troll that wasn’t especially good at his job.
(Always worth a try, you never know…)
I have not seen the footage but I can imagine they elevated the Russian narrative from “special military operations” to “this is a very real war where Russia started to roll into Ukraine where massive amounts of people died, including Russian soldiers”. If this is the message Ukraine sent to the general public then I support that truth.
As I described this isn’t the content.
Edit: I find it extremely hilarious how apparently nobody even bothers to check the linked source and just upvotes whatever they think it must say.
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So when ruzzian TV informs about the ruzzian gore in eastern Ukraine (several 100-thousand ruzzian soldiers killed or wounded) they tell the truth? Do they inform about that bloody tragedy of their soldiers at all?
Really interested in your insights.
This isn’t what I said. I associate with truth in such a context as a documentary-Wikipedia style of delivery and already that is quite difficult to do neutral, as sources and claims will diverge, e. g. about losses.
Expecting that is silly.
And so is naming this the “truth about war”.
Not at all.
If you really believe that, you should know that it’s VERY obvious Russia is lying all the time. There’s a reason it’s Russia and not Ukraine that censor news channels in Russia and news sources on the Internet. That reason being that Russia needs to do that to keep the truth from the Russians.
At no point I stated Russia’s news are trustworthy. Declaring a propaganda TV interception as if it is just reading out a Wikipedia article is wild to say the least. Ukrainian official statements can’t be taken for granted, at some point in the Kursk incursion the independently verified territorial gains were at about 800 sq. km. vs claimed 1200. Neither is the cultural and media market truly open, as it is wartime and the Russian Orthodox Church is too close to the government to be allowed to operate anymore. Also getting journalistic permits for the Ukrainian frontlines is nowadays more impossible than ever before in this war.
So you care about format, not content? And you rely on a crowd sourced wiki for unbiased information. Dear Lord.
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Unbiased and neutral can easily be used interchangeably here, anyone with common sense could crack that code bud.
Jesus dude, you honestly need to talk to someone. You legit seem to have a narcissism problem.
You imply I think Wikipedia is per default unbiased and all truthful which it isn’t and I stated clearly otherwise with “quite difficult to be neutral”. So I am not sure where the misunderstanding comes from.
Bad rep for going down the personal route in a discussion.
I believe you when you say you’re not sure.
You come at my reading comprehension then try to high road the convo. Dude, you’re displaying every characteristic of someone who is chronically online. Take a breath and reflect lol.
I did that because the answer didn’t make sense as it is an issue I just acknowledged.
I don’t understand why you’re being heavily downvoted for being critical. Your argumentation is perfectly reasonable. I suspect these downvotes come mostly from bots or people that expected to circle-jerk in this thread.
Ukraines or even the Wests propaganda can’t even come close to the barrage of Russian propaganda.
Russia is almost at the level of North Korea at this point.
I didn’t declare a pissing contest of disinformation which Russia will win by a landslide.
I never said the contrary. What’s your point?
It is because people think they are on the right side of politics so much, that whatever they say or do, can’t be criticized to the slightest extent. I dislike the declaration of “truth” in wartime quite a lot as it doesn’t seem to be sensible. The black-white thinking is an absolute cancer in this internet society as you can tell by the amount of comments thinking I would side with Russia when criticizing the wording of the article, not even the Ukrainian action itself.
They just assume whatever statement isn’t in full accord with them, means you are in full accord with the extreme opposite end of whatever spectrum. I highly advise to avoid political movements and friend groups with such extreme tendencies which favor shouting down over any discussion as they will circle jerk themselves into pure insanity.
stfu commie
They are actually worse now than when it was the communist Soviet Union.
This is closer to Nazism. It may not be much worse, since both are totalitarian.
I strongly agree, the only real difference between nazism and communism nowadays is the name you call it. after all, even North Korea is a communist nation
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it’s always not the real communism, each time you try it ends in mass murder but it’s never “the real communism”, maybe you should reconsider your position and admit that your beliefs always end in totalitarian, oppressive, authoritarian governments.
lack of education, food, medical facilities, freedom, get the fuck out of your bedroom and go to a communist country, you have plenty to choose from, Cuba, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, go to these places and you will see what is your real communism
Can humans even have a real communist society? I suspect it would take a species without any individual self-preservation instinct, or individual greed, so that each member can fully serve the collective.
An entire society of Quokka could do it.
One of the major problems is that power attract all the powerloving narcissistic assholes.
I think democracy isn’t that great, it doesn’t give us what we vote for for example, the only thing better than all the other systems is that you can kick anyone in power out, and that is what makes it the best system of them all.
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oh, sorry I didn’t know the /s meant it was sarcasm, I look like an idiot now, my bad
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Hey genuine question. How long have you been using social media for? I ask because /s is one of the most common online identifiers for someone’s true tone.
Your English is a disaster.
The truth is that war kills people. And Russia started this war. Russia can stop it. Those are hard facts. As hard as the sun is yellow and bright in the day, and the earth is a sphere orbiting the sun. That’s not propaganda.
Propaganda is your bullshit pretending that saying the sun is yellow and the earth a sphere are points of view you are free to disagree with.
The sun is white. The light turns yellow in our atmosphere.
From Wikipedia. They didn’t send the message war is bad for your health like some insurance disclaimer. The selective content tries to induce fear through the incursion into Kursk and for obvious reasons would have never shown the tense situation after the fall of Avdiivka with regular territorial losses in that area. Presentation of dead soldiers is aimed at inducing an emotional response. The intent is and was foremost to demoralize the enemy. I don’t think it’s reprehensible in any way. Declaring a few cuts as the truth, when you could have shown the opposite with Avdiivka, should tell you that’s naive. Call it what is, a Ukrainian military high jacking of Russian TV.
Your example tries to put science into this and the issue we talk about is a war between two countries. Selectively showing information is scientifically inaccurate for history and social science. Science is a way of course to find the truth in a way, but a process of better descriptions of reality.
Propaganda can be truth. This is propaganda as per definition. It happens to be true aswell.