California Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed a bill Friday that would have made some immigrants in the country illegally eligible for home loans backed by the state.
Certain people will be all in these comments saying it’s discriminatory or unfair this almost happened and now didn’t…it’s not.
If you’re undocumented and even here so long and this is your life…etc. That’s one thing.
Expecting to be rewarded for that when others are not is not going to fly with the right or left. It’s an insane proposition to begin with that focuses on a certain subject of the population, and then step further because they are not officially the population. Kind of a snub to others.
The bill, by Democratic Assembly member Joaquin Arambula of Fresno, would have prohibited the disqualification of loan applicants to a state first-time homebuyer program for reasons based solely on immigration status.
NOT being disqualified is a reward for people who are not citizens.
I’m all for fixing the situations for undocumented immigrants that have made a life here under certain circumstances, but just removing hurdles to not have them correct the situation themselves seems like a step in the wrong direction. In this specific case, the bandwidth for the program to help people who ARE citizens is reduced by including those who are not, which doesn’t seem fair.
You can slice that up however you want to, but at the end of the day, including non-citizens into social programs designed to help a larger pool of people reduces the availability to citizens.
The circumstances of this people isn’t the problem though. It’s the fact that they are eligible at all that is the toxic component.
You’ll never be able to get enough public support behind anything like this when you know that there’s a large segment of voters crossing party lines who this pisses off. The root cause of citizenship is still the problem.
If you think that his is designed to make it harder for people, you’re mistaken. It should be working for citizens first. We can’t be making social policies that don’t already fix problems of the citizens, and then go a step further to include larger population segments. Our government shouldn’t be fixing everyone else’s problems when we can’t even help our own people.
Says who? The government certainly says they aren’t. Just because you may be related to them in some way doesn’t mean municipal programs and funds should exist for them. They aren’t even registered as refugee, alien, or asylum seekers if they are undocumented. Why should they be allowed to then receive help or funds from government run social programs in lieu of full citizens?
On either side of the political spectrum you have people that don’t want this. I’d like a better path for these people as well, but not in this way either. Regardless of taxpayer status, there are still laws, and the people this would benefit have intentionally disregarded those laws, and that shouldn’t be rewarded. Especially not in California when practically nobody except the highest earning families can afford permanent housing.
The above response is kinda the wrong angle, but I can’t see why a bank is not allowed to deny a loan to someone who is not a citizen. If you by definition do not have legal right to live here, I don’t get why a bank is required to loan you money to buy a home. When you can be gone and out of the country a week later. I get maybe some are willing to loan to them, but not allowing them to deny it is kinda insane. I can’t believe they legally are even allowed to buy a home.
Another article also said that aid would be given based on a lottery-type drawing. Seems a bit silly and also lotteries typically work by giving less than you get. How about encouraging naturalization and awarding aid to someone recently naturalized? I’m not in the camp of saying to hell with helping undocumented immigrants but if you’re going to call them out specifically I think the focus should be on naturalization or helping them become documented.
There’s tons of people in California that grew up there and work normal jobs who are undocumented basically on a technicality. That’s who this bill was looking to help. Newly landed immigrants are not going to be in a position to buy a house, certainly not in California.
Unfortunately, that does give a lot of ammunition for the right, who have a very warped view of what immigrants look like.
If that is the case, then it reads like California is solving the wrong problem.
If a person is undocumented due to their parents decision, then the federal government should make it much easier for them to become an American citizen.
Same. That kinda seems like it would lead to fewer people bothering to want to be a documented immigrant, right? Which, phrased a little differently, kinda incentivizes people to come in illegally or at least remain undocumented once here since that wouldn’t be a barrier to them owning a home? The right would’ve had a fucking field day if he’d signed that. They froth over straws in milkshakes; he doesn’t need to draw valid criticisms via bad policy two months before this election.
Right. If you’re undocumented, the first step should be to get documented, and authorities should focus on providing more and easier paths to proper documentation. Then you can take advantage of the programs in place for potential homebuyers if you want to.
That’s good right?
Why would you want a bill specifically helping undocumented immigrants buy houses?
If I’m wrong I’d like to know why.
Certain people will be all in these comments saying it’s discriminatory or unfair this almost happened and now didn’t…it’s not.
If you’re undocumented and even here so long and this is your life…etc. That’s one thing.
Expecting to be rewarded for that when others are not is not going to fly with the right or left. It’s an insane proposition to begin with that focuses on a certain subject of the population, and then step further because they are not officially the population. Kind of a snub to others.
Not rewarding anybody. Read the article
NOT being disqualified is a reward for people who are not citizens.
I’m all for fixing the situations for undocumented immigrants that have made a life here under certain circumstances, but just removing hurdles to not have them correct the situation themselves seems like a step in the wrong direction. In this specific case, the bandwidth for the program to help people who ARE citizens is reduced by including those who are not, which doesn’t seem fair.
You can slice that up however you want to, but at the end of the day, including non-citizens into social programs designed to help a larger pool of people reduces the availability to citizens.
I dunno man, I generally don’t support policies that exist just make life difficult for people who are already at a disadvantage.
There are so many roadblocks preventing these people from fixing their situation, and the State of California has no power to help them rectify it.
The cost of this program would be pretty negligible compared to other frivolous government spending, which I’m sure you’re equally vocally opposed to.
The circumstances of this people isn’t the problem though. It’s the fact that they are eligible at all that is the toxic component.
You’ll never be able to get enough public support behind anything like this when you know that there’s a large segment of voters crossing party lines who this pisses off. The root cause of citizenship is still the problem.
If you think that his is designed to make it harder for people, you’re mistaken. It should be working for citizens first. We can’t be making social policies that don’t already fix problems of the citizens, and then go a step further to include larger population segments. Our government shouldn’t be fixing everyone else’s problems when we can’t even help our own people.
Immigrants are “our own people”.
Says who? The government certainly says they aren’t. Just because you may be related to them in some way doesn’t mean municipal programs and funds should exist for them. They aren’t even registered as refugee, alien, or asylum seekers if they are undocumented. Why should they be allowed to then receive help or funds from government run social programs in lieu of full citizens?
On either side of the political spectrum you have people that don’t want this. I’d like a better path for these people as well, but not in this way either. Regardless of taxpayer status, there are still laws, and the people this would benefit have intentionally disregarded those laws, and that shouldn’t be rewarded. Especially not in California when practically nobody except the highest earning families can afford permanent housing.
The above response is kinda the wrong angle, but I can’t see why a bank is not allowed to deny a loan to someone who is not a citizen. If you by definition do not have legal right to live here, I don’t get why a bank is required to loan you money to buy a home. When you can be gone and out of the country a week later. I get maybe some are willing to loan to them, but not allowing them to deny it is kinda insane. I can’t believe they legally are even allowed to buy a home.
Another article also said that aid would be given based on a lottery-type drawing. Seems a bit silly and also lotteries typically work by giving less than you get. How about encouraging naturalization and awarding aid to someone recently naturalized? I’m not in the camp of saying to hell with helping undocumented immigrants but if you’re going to call them out specifically I think the focus should be on naturalization or helping them become documented.
There’s tons of people in California that grew up there and work normal jobs who are undocumented basically on a technicality. That’s who this bill was looking to help. Newly landed immigrants are not going to be in a position to buy a house, certainly not in California.
Unfortunately, that does give a lot of ammunition for the right, who have a very warped view of what immigrants look like.
If that is the case, then it reads like California is solving the wrong problem.
If a person is undocumented due to their parents decision, then the federal government should make it much easier for them to become an American citizen.
Same. That kinda seems like it would lead to fewer people bothering to want to be a documented immigrant, right? Which, phrased a little differently, kinda incentivizes people to come in illegally or at least remain undocumented once here since that wouldn’t be a barrier to them owning a home? The right would’ve had a fucking field day if he’d signed that. They froth over straws in milkshakes; he doesn’t need to draw valid criticisms via bad policy two months before this election.
I agree. I want only citizens to own property. I am not at all against people immigrating.
Right. If you’re undocumented, the first step should be to get documented, and authorities should focus on providing more and easier paths to proper documentation. Then you can take advantage of the programs in place for potential homebuyers if you want to.