Russia's RT Network Working Directly With Kremlin To Spread Disinformation, U.S. Says
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The United States on September 13 said the Russian news outlet RT is taking orders directly from the Kremlin and working with Russian military intelligence to spread disinformation around the world to undermine democracies.

The United States on September 13 said the Russian news outlet RT is taking orders directly from the Kremlin and working with Russian military intelligence to spread disinformation around the world to undermine democracies.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the United States has gathered new evidence that exposes cooperation between RT and four other subsidiaries of the Rossia Segodnya media group, and it intends to warn other countries of the threat of the disinformation.

In addition to RT, Rossia Segodnya operates RIA Novosti, TV-Novosti, Ruptly, and Sputnik, but the announcement on September 13 focused largely on RT. The outlet, formerly known as Russia Today, has previously been sanctioned for its work to allegedly spread Kremlin propaganda and disinformation.

  • Joncash2@lemmy.mlEnglish
    2·
    2 months ago

    When you understand both are whataboutism because it’s about the deflection not the action or the accusation, you’ll understand whataboutism.

    And how do I know he has kids? I’m gonna trust an axe murderer?

    • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      2 months ago

      Okay, so you not being able to spot the difference does not mean there isn’t one. While your “nuh uh’s” are kinda funny, you can’t just redefine words any time it’s convenient for you, not when they’re commonly used by others. Not all deflections are whataboutisms, just one single type, specifically, to an accusation. Like the very first line in the article, that says:

      the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation

      So, it’s what we call a hypothetical, where I was proposing two axe murderers that targeted families. It’s just a possible thing that we can think about to discuss a finer point. So, if we say he has kids, since he doesn’t exist in the first place, then he has hypothetical kids.

      edit: Just to save you a little scrolling, since I’m such a nice guy:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

      • Joncash2@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        The problem with your hypothetical is that it doesn’t exist. The information is coming from an axe murderer and your just magically asserting the family is real and what he says is real.

        The problem is when your an axe murderer, I no longer trust you. Just as we shouldn’t trust the USA because they do all the bad things they say others are doing. It’s an accountability issue. Which is if you want to say your a good guy, you kind of have to actually be a good guy.

        *Edit. This is why I said innocents get caught up in gang wars but the police can’t do anything because the source of information is gangsters

        • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 months ago

          Hypotheticals don’t have to exist, that’s what makes them useful. Is it possible that an axe murder could have kids? Of course it is, they can have sperm, right? So, it’s a workable hypothetical. We can then use it to illustrate how actions that hurt innocents are not necessarily right, just to punish someone related to those innocents.

          We don’t need to ask the axe murderer anything either, we can check birth records. Like with the US covid propaganda scheme, we don’t have to believe the govt, we can check international news sources if we like.

          You can conveniently forget about independent information sources, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

          • Joncash2@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            I think your either avoiding what I’m saying or misunderstanding. This whole conversation is based on USA accusing Russia. Just like your axe murderer accusing another murderer. The whole point is when your a psychotic genocider, your opinions and statements should be rightfully ignored.

            • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              2 months ago

              Ah, I think we get to the crux of the matter, you seem not to perceive any innocents being harmed. You perhaps see the US as a single evil entity, and not a collection of disagreeing people living on a chunk of land.

              Not if we care about truth vs falsehood, objective fact vs made up things, and an understandable world we can all fairly discuss. Even an axe murderer should be allowed to testify in his own defence. What if he is merely accused of axe murder, and the evidence has been fabricated and planted by corrupt police?

              • Joncash2@lemmy.mlEnglish
                2·
                2 months ago

                Well unfortunately there are no international courts of law that USA would submit to. The only one, the ICC, they have literally threatened to invade if they did any kind of investigation into the GENOCIDAL CRIMES of the USA. So your argument that a court should prove it is moot since USA would nuke the court. Which is why I also find it hilarious that USA talks about rule of law when they actively threaten to wipe Brussels off the face of the earth.

                *Edit: Oh man even Harvard is mocking them for that.

                https://scholar.harvard.edu/ksikkink/blog/“invade-hague”-“support-icc”-america’s-shifting-stance-international-criminal-court

                Also, I’m not talking about USA as in it’s people, I’m talking about the US government. Sorry I did not make that clear. After all, it’s not Joe Schmo talking about RT spreading propaganda.

                • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  3·
                  2 months ago

                  Eh, don’t believe everything our more asshole legislators say. With a little luck they’ll get thrown out over the next decade for supporting Trump, going down with the sinking ship.

                  For better or for worse, they can say whatever they want. Even that Haitians are eating people’s pets and shit. lol It’s just bluster from small-dicked people compensating for their fear and insecurity, trying to gin up support from the fascist wing.

                  • Joncash2@lemmy.mlEnglish
                    2·
                    2 months ago

                    It’s not what they said. It’s an actual bill. We nicknamed it the Invade Hague act. We literally have a law that says we will kill Europeans if they investigate our war crimes such as murdering children. Even the Australians recently took away medals for the horrible war crimes they committed.