You’re absolutely right. The Soviets actively pursuing the destruction of a sovereign nation by cooperating with the literal fucking Nazis, in the interest of the Soviet Union’s desire to quite literally genocide the Polish people, not unlike the Nazis, isn’t really comparable to the Finns cooperating with the literal fucking Nazis to retake territory that was seized and ethnically cleansed from them.
The Finnish choice is unforgivable, but you’re right, the Soviet choice was much worse. On account of being an active pursuit of genocide as well as an instrument to the Nazi genocide.
Soviet Russian chauvinism in the context of pan-Slavism was many things, but it wasn’t genocidal towards Poles as an ethnicity. Murderous towards anyone that might be able to rally resistance, certainly, and it exploited ethnic divides in the time honored tradition of any colonizing power, but it wasn’t anything like Generalplan Ost and you know it.
Russian chauvinism in the context of pan-Slavism was many things, but it wasn’t genocidal towards Poles as an ethnicity.
Oh yes, the Sovs just executed 100,000 Poles in the USSR in '38, and killed and deported another million and a half in Poland itself in 39-41 because they were uninterested in genocide. Brilliant. Just brilliant.
but it wasn’t anything like Generalplan Ost and you know it.
Oh, cool, the Holodomor wasn’t anything like Generalplan Ost either, so I guess the Holodomor wasn’t genocidal either.
No, because the Holodomor and eradication of the Crimean Tartars were specific eradication campaigns unlike the Soviet mass executions in Poland, glad we cleared that up.
Would you like to elaborate how the Soviet mass executions and deportations in Poland were not eradication campaigns, but that the deportation of the Crimean Tatars and the Holodomor were eradication campaigns? Walk me through your criteria here. Is targeting a specific ethnicity for mass executions and deportation in the name of eradicating the nation not eradication in some way that I’m unaware of?
Walk me through how executing 5% of the Polish nation in your newly conquered territories and deporting another 25% inside of two years isn’t genocide. Walk me through how targeting Poles specifically in the newly conquered territories, rather than other ethnicities living in what-was-previously-Poland, isn’t an eradication campaign.
Because the ethnic cleansing of Poles as a cleansing mostly happened in Ukraine and Belarus? You know where they shipped most Ukrainian and Belarusian Poles to?
Poland!
There’s obviously a lot to say about THAT in a Glorious Communist Utopia but it’s pretty hard to argue Stalin was ethnically cleansing Poland of Poles when he was also shipping more ethnic Poles into Poland.
Now if you want to argue that Belarus was Polish territory before the Tsars conquered it there’s at least a point there.
Because the ethnic cleansing of Poles as a cleansing mostly happened in Ukraine and Belarus?
Are you taking the piss right now.
A million Poles are deported from Poland itself, some 150,000+ are outright executed, and you’re saying that the Soviets were performing these atrocities on a larger scale in Ukraine and Belarus, when there weren’t even a million Poles in the whole of the USSR.
We both know you’re too smart to actually believe the situations are comparable.
You’re absolutely right. The Soviets actively pursuing the destruction of a sovereign nation by cooperating with the literal fucking Nazis, in the interest of the Soviet Union’s desire to quite literally genocide the Polish people, not unlike the Nazis, isn’t really comparable to the Finns cooperating with the literal fucking Nazis to retake territory that was seized and ethnically cleansed from them.
The Finnish choice is unforgivable, but you’re right, the Soviet choice was much worse. On account of being an active pursuit of genocide as well as an instrument to the Nazi genocide.
Soviet Russian chauvinism in the context of pan-Slavism was many things, but it wasn’t genocidal towards Poles as an ethnicity. Murderous towards anyone that might be able to rally resistance, certainly, and it exploited ethnic divides in the time honored tradition of any colonizing power, but it wasn’t anything like Generalplan Ost and you know it.
Oh yes, the Sovs just executed 100,000 Poles in the USSR in '38, and killed and deported another million and a half in Poland itself in 39-41 because they were uninterested in genocide. Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Oh, cool, the Holodomor wasn’t anything like Generalplan Ost either, so I guess the Holodomor wasn’t genocidal either.
No, because the Holodomor and eradication of the Crimean Tartars were specific eradication campaigns unlike the Soviet mass executions in Poland, glad we cleared that up.
Would you like to elaborate how the Soviet mass executions and deportations in Poland were not eradication campaigns, but that the deportation of the Crimean Tatars and the Holodomor were eradication campaigns? Walk me through your criteria here. Is targeting a specific ethnicity for mass executions and deportation in the name of eradicating the nation not eradication in some way that I’m unaware of?
Walk me through how executing 5% of the Polish nation in your newly conquered territories and deporting another 25% inside of two years isn’t genocide. Walk me through how targeting Poles specifically in the newly conquered territories, rather than other ethnicities living in what-was-previously-Poland, isn’t an eradication campaign.
Please. Enlighten me.
Because the ethnic cleansing of Poles as a cleansing mostly happened in Ukraine and Belarus? You know where they shipped most Ukrainian and Belarusian Poles to?
Poland!
There’s obviously a lot to say about THAT in a Glorious Communist Utopia but it’s pretty hard to argue Stalin was ethnically cleansing Poland of Poles when he was also shipping more ethnic Poles into Poland.
Now if you want to argue that Belarus was Polish territory before the Tsars conquered it there’s at least a point there.
Are you taking the piss right now.
A million Poles are deported from Poland itself, some 150,000+ are outright executed, and you’re saying that the Soviets were performing these atrocities on a larger scale in Ukraine and Belarus, when there weren’t even a million Poles in the whole of the USSR.
Are you fucking stupid.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Poland_and_Soviet_Ukraine