So… Do you honestly believe that Trump would do anything to stop Israel? They’re killing Muslims, the only thing the GOP loves more than demonizing the Jewish.
I’m not sure if supporting trump will get Netanyahu what he wants. Once trump is the person responsible for sending arms to Israel, suddenly democrats will be against what’s happening, creating division (at least in rhetoric) instead of bipartisan unity.
“the echo chair” that’s not a thing (at least not in English). And if your not failing, that would imply that you are still in history class, and maybe you haven’t learned about world war two yet, in which case you should probably refrain from talking about things you don’t know yet.
I would argue that Trump would be way worse for Gaza, he seems to be of the mindset of “kill the weak and be done” so for him to “fix” the middle east, would probably just be to bomb the shit out of everyone until they stop fighting.
He doesn’t strike me as a great peace maker, more like a
Liberals only hate him because he says the quiet things out loud. The exact same things are happening right now but it’s being done in the background so it’s tolerable for liberals to consume. They don’t care about what’s going on only that it’s presented in a pretty paackage
I don’t think you fully understand what you are saying. You are saying that Trump will be worse for Gaza and Palestine…while all of this has been happening under Biden’s administration and with his support (the constant UN vetoes and the constant selling of weapons).
The Palestinian genocide has always been happening with the blessing of the US government. From that point of view, right now both candidates are exactly as good for Palestine. As in, they are not.
Incorrect, you can see Harris scrambling for votes from other groups the dnc has also disenfranchised. This entire conversation id proof that its not a wash. Its a net loss for the dems. There are only so many times a group can say but we’re better than those guys whole doing the exact same thing as those guys before people laugh and tune them out.
DNC wants votes?
were is mandatory pto, sick days?
where is universal healthcare?
where is police/judicial reforms?
where is labor support?
where the fuck is my non genocidal option?
My vote was up for grabs by the dnc and they decided to stay the course. Biden lost my vote when he committed to breaking a strike and then a genocide. Thats on them. Dont like it bitch at them for running a shitty platform.
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress
And this is why they’re not courting people like you. You’ve voluntarily removed yourself from the pool of potential voters.
Yeah, those things you listed would be great and if there were enough progressive folks voting instead of sitting on the sidelines they would be on the table once the Overton window for dragged back to the left a bit.
But instead we have “they’re eating dogs and cats”, “schools are forcibly chopping off kids’ dicks”, “kitty litter in classrooms”, and Project 2025 up against basic fucking sanity. So unless you’re an accelerationist there’s only one sensible choice.
Or you can sit around sniffing your own farts and feeling morally superior while everyone left of Mussolini is getting loaded onto the trains.
I dint particularly care if they court me. Harris can have all the policies in the world she cant enact 99% of them without democrats in the legislature ao they’re worth less than the paper they’re written on without yhose commitments. Its not like they have a job other than writing this legislation. Should have these bills ready to go with their signatures on them. Now that would convince me she can deliver.
Now if harris committed to arms embargo by upholding leahy w/ israel, or keeping ms khan, or promising to support striking workers with aid, id be all over her. Because she can do that.
You see the difference between me and you is i hold politicians accountable for what they can do…not what i want to hear.
It’s not “a wash”. We are talking about the literal lives of people that are being ethnically cleansed with the help of this current administration.
I can tell you clearly think that’s just a non issue that people can disagree on, but it’s a historical event. And you can’t just go “well then let’s not talk about that and focus on the rest. Trump is worse on that”. Sure, Trump is worse and is worse in everything. But that doesn’t resolve the issue of the Palestinian genocide, does it?
I’m not sure that anticolonialist is saying Trump is a better choice. They might be implying that it is sad that the American populace always has to pick between two choices which cause harm, and I agree that is a situation worth mentioning.
If they explicitly reply with ‘Trump is better’, I will strongly disagree.
They’re effectively saying let’s give Trump a chance because Harris, despite having no power, is already doing a bad job. Trump being worse is “hyperbole”. It’s completely braindead. And I say this as someone who thinks criticizing her lack of opposition to genocide is a good thing.
Biden said is one and only press conference that Harris was 100% on board with every decision made by the administration. So if the administrative decision was genocide in Gaza, she was on board with it. She talked cease fire at one side of her mouth while the US has completed over 1000 weapons drops to Israel, her words mean nothing.
I don’t think Harris was included in anything. Nothing they’ve done indicates Biden respects her at all. The problem is that if this is not true, she refuses to refute it.
I’m not saying Trump is a better choice. What I’m saying is that the current administration that is causing the deaths of brown people around the world and they need to be held accountable, and they need to be held accountable by people refusing to vote for them. Liberals are willing to overlook a active Holocaust so that their team wins.
America tends to elect someone representing the interests of those who have money and power. And those who have money and power seem to accept that brown foreign people have to die so they can make money selling arms.
This is terrible, but it is also normal, and also people like making money. So people will, far too often, let it slide. And when you let something like that slide, you rationalise how you’re not a bad person, so you victim blame.
This is one more reason why I am not completely unhappy about the possibility of humans ending their own existence through economic activity. Sadly, they will take many other species with them.
To use your analogy of the holocaust, we are Japan in this situation. While we can do something its so little as to be borderline fuck all. Best we could do is arrange an accident with Netanyahu, but yet again that could make it worse.
When something is wrong, taking a stand against it isn’t only about it being effective. It’s about showing publicly that something is wrong.
I don’t kidnap people and force them to live in my compost bin. When I hear of others acting in this way, I condemn it. Me not doing this does not effectively stop others from doing it. But I still do it, as it is my moral duty.
I believe that killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals is at least as bad as the action I just described.
Okay this is nothing more than American copium. Israel survives off American aid and trade, and threatening to cut either off would get them to back off faster than you could say genocide. This isn’t theory; it’s been done before.
We are gonna elect the person enabling a holocaust like Hitler
So… Do you honestly believe that Trump would do anything to stop Israel? They’re killing Muslims, the only thing the GOP loves more than demonizing the Jewish.
Netanyahu is actively supporting Trump because he knows he’ll enable him to be way more aggressive inside Gaza.
People that still use this are just Trump-Bots that want to seed doubt so less people vote for Harris
I’m not sure if supporting trump will get Netanyahu what he wants. Once trump is the person responsible for sending arms to Israel, suddenly democrats will be against what’s happening, creating division (at least in rhetoric) instead of bipartisan unity.
So lets let Harris continue what’s actually going on so the hyperbole of what trump might do doesnt happen.
You must have failed history class.
Outcome is the same, lots of people dead while the US sits back and watches
Either you aren’t communicating what you actually mean, or you didn’t just fail by a little bit.
I’m not failing, the echo
chairchamber doesn’t like to hear things that do not contribute to their cognitive bias.Edit sp
“the echo chair” that’s not a thing (at least not in English). And if your not failing, that would imply that you are still in history class, and maybe you haven’t learned about world war two yet, in which case you should probably refrain from talking about things you don’t know yet.
I would argue that Trump would be way worse for Gaza, he seems to be of the mindset of “kill the weak and be done” so for him to “fix” the middle east, would probably just be to bomb the shit out of everyone until they stop fighting.
He doesn’t strike me as a great peace maker, more like a
Liberals only hate him because he says the quiet things out loud. The exact same things are happening right now but it’s being done in the background so it’s tolerable for liberals to consume. They don’t care about what’s going on only that it’s presented in a pretty paackage
I don’t think you fully understand what you are saying. You are saying that Trump will be worse for Gaza and Palestine…while all of this has been happening under Biden’s administration and with his support (the constant UN vetoes and the constant selling of weapons).
The Palestinian genocide has always been happening with the blessing of the US government. From that point of view, right now both candidates are exactly as good for Palestine. As in, they are not.
Then that topic is a wash when deciding who to vote for. Trump is still worse on literally everything else.
Incorrect, you can see Harris scrambling for votes from other groups the dnc has also disenfranchised. This entire conversation id proof that its not a wash. Its a net loss for the dems. There are only so many times a group can say but we’re better than those guys whole doing the exact same thing as those guys before people laugh and tune them out.
DNC wants votes?
My vote was up for grabs by the dnc and they decided to stay the course. Biden lost my vote when he committed to breaking a strike and then a genocide. Thats on them. Dont like it bitch at them for running a shitty platform.
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress
And this is why they’re not courting people like you. You’ve voluntarily removed yourself from the pool of potential voters.
Yeah, those things you listed would be great and if there were enough progressive folks voting instead of sitting on the sidelines they would be on the table once the Overton window for dragged back to the left a bit.
But instead we have “they’re eating dogs and cats”, “schools are forcibly chopping off kids’ dicks”, “kitty litter in classrooms”, and Project 2025 up against basic fucking sanity. So unless you’re an accelerationist there’s only one sensible choice.
Or you can sit around sniffing your own farts and feeling morally superior while everyone left of Mussolini is getting loaded onto the trains.
I dint particularly care if they court me. Harris can have all the policies in the world she cant enact 99% of them without democrats in the legislature ao they’re worth less than the paper they’re written on without yhose commitments. Its not like they have a job other than writing this legislation. Should have these bills ready to go with their signatures on them. Now that would convince me she can deliver.
Now if harris committed to arms embargo by upholding leahy w/ israel, or keeping ms khan, or promising to support striking workers with aid, id be all over her. Because she can do that.
You see the difference between me and you is i hold politicians accountable for what they can do…not what i want to hear.
It’s not “a wash”. We are talking about the literal lives of people that are being ethnically cleansed with the help of this current administration.
I can tell you clearly think that’s just a non issue that people can disagree on, but it’s a historical event. And you can’t just go “well then let’s not talk about that and focus on the rest. Trump is worse on that”. Sure, Trump is worse and is worse in everything. But that doesn’t resolve the issue of the Palestinian genocide, does it?
Yes, surely donald “finish the job” trump will broker peace.
I’m not sure that anticolonialist is saying Trump is a better choice. They might be implying that it is sad that the American populace always has to pick between two choices which cause harm, and I agree that is a situation worth mentioning.
If they explicitly reply with ‘Trump is better’, I will strongly disagree.
They’re effectively saying let’s give Trump a chance because Harris, despite having no power, is already doing a bad job. Trump being worse is “hyperbole”. It’s completely braindead. And I say this as someone who thinks criticizing her lack of opposition to genocide is a good thing.
Biden said is one and only press conference that Harris was 100% on board with every decision made by the administration. So if the administrative decision was genocide in Gaza, she was on board with it. She talked cease fire at one side of her mouth while the US has completed over 1000 weapons drops to Israel, her words mean nothing.
I don’t think Harris was included in anything. Nothing they’ve done indicates Biden respects her at all. The problem is that if this is not true, she refuses to refute it.
I’m not saying Trump is a better choice. What I’m saying is that the current administration that is causing the deaths of brown people around the world and they need to be held accountable, and they need to be held accountable by people refusing to vote for them. Liberals are willing to overlook a active Holocaust so that their team wins.
The weapons and money being provided by Biden/Harris is allowing them to finish the job right now.
America tends to elect someone representing the interests of those who have money and power. And those who have money and power seem to accept that brown foreign people have to die so they can make money selling arms.
This is terrible, but it is also normal, and also people like making money. So people will, far too often, let it slide. And when you let something like that slide, you rationalise how you’re not a bad person, so you victim blame.
This is one more reason why I am not completely unhappy about the possibility of humans ending their own existence through economic activity. Sadly, they will take many other species with them.
To use your analogy of the holocaust, we are Japan in this situation. While we can do something its so little as to be borderline fuck all. Best we could do is arrange an accident with Netanyahu, but yet again that could make it worse.
When something is wrong, taking a stand against it isn’t only about it being effective. It’s about showing publicly that something is wrong.
I don’t kidnap people and force them to live in my compost bin. When I hear of others acting in this way, I condemn it. Me not doing this does not effectively stop others from doing it. But I still do it, as it is my moral duty.
I believe that killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals is at least as bad as the action I just described.
Hard agree, but that doesn’t change the fact that voting for Harris is a better choice that either voting for Trump or not voting at all.
Okay this is nothing more than American copium. Israel survives off American aid and trade, and threatening to cut either off would get them to back off faster than you could say genocide. This isn’t theory; it’s been done before.
The openly fascist granddaughter of Mussolini, Italian PM of Italy Meloni has now cut off weapons to Israel. Biden is to the right of an open fascist.
So Reagan was able to do something, Thatcher was able to do something, Baby Bush was able to do something. But Biden can’t?