Nah I’m going to blame 70+ million Americans who chose a racist, sexist felon, fraud, rapist fascist over a black moderate woman.
I blame the 70ish million who decided the whole voting scene just wasn’t for them.
(And the misogyny. Holy shit the misogyny)
I’m sure misogyny also played a big role in her numbers. But if Harris firmly opposed any material or diplomatic support for genocide, then she probably would have won despite the misogynists, no?
No
There are not 5 million people sitting around who give a shit about any of that
The 70+ million who voted for trump would have voted him despite anything. They could have leaked the video of trump raping a 12 year old and they’d all still vote for him.
The only voters to blame are the 16 million who voted in 2020 and sat this one out.
No you still blame the people blindly voting for the orange idiot. If he didn’t get votes and support he would not have won. You can’t just write off his voters as blameless wtf.
Blame them for what? Kamala losing? Cause that was their goal and that’s how elections work. I’m not writing them off as blameless entirely but it’s not their “fault” that trump won because that’s what they were aiming for.
Why did they sit this one out? Whoever’s job it was to get them excited about voting and get them to vote failed here… I’m not saying this one was, but if the next election was between Trump and Cheney, I’d probably just stay home too… If that’s how 16 million people saw this election, that’s on the Dems for not figuring out what would change their minds… Or figuring it out but choosing to ignore it
You think they care?
You and I are the ones dealing with the fallout, not them.
Fuck the people who didn’t come out. Period.
That’s why I said “the only voters”. Of course Kamala is to blame as well and the DNC for stiffing us with a mediocre candidate and Biden for dropping out so late.
The problem was the one-third of eligible people who didn’t vote, the people who wanted an immaculate president, and when they didn’t get it, took a stupid, petulant moral high ground. Abstention and voting in protest only helps the enemy.
Anyone who thinks the Gaza situation or the treatment of muslims will improve under Trump is a fucking moron.
This is nonsense sorry. Polls shows 50:50 split between Dems and Rep, but the reality is 1/3:1/3 with 1/3 of the electorate and disengaged. The voters aren’t the problem, it’s the fucked up 2 party system which has been massaged by both parties over many decades to prevent any competition.
Why should voters feel loyal to either of those parties? Don’t blame voters for not wanting to chose between two crap choices. To many, both the Dems and Reps are the enemy. Why expect them to care if one side or the other think there is an existential crisis in the shitty system they shaped?
I think people just want a president who doesn’t materially support genocide. If that is too high a bar, then your country deserves what it gets.
So they’d rather have a president who would support a genocide even more. Seems like a great decision.
Also, there were other issues at play in this election. Even Bernie Sanders said so
Lol no “they’d” rather have a president who doesn’t materially support genocide, but seems like that wasn’t something people were allowed to vote for.
In other words they didn’t want to chose the lesser evil so they were fine with either option
Amazing decision.
Or, it could mean they weren’t fine with either option? “We’re not quite as evil as the other guy” isn’t the campaign slogan you seem to think it is.
And I want a genie with three wishes. Both of these have the same value in reality.
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I hate to quote Glinda, but
I hope you’re happy
I hope you’re happy now
I hope you’re happy now you hurt your cause forever
I hope you think you’re cleverNo I’m not happy, I’m disappointed. And I’m annoyed that liberals can’t seem to be bring themselves to accept that the blame for Harris losing the election does not fall on the electorate, it falls on the Harris campaign and the long established Democratic practice of putting the needs/want of oligarchs and foreign policy hawks before the needs/wants of their own citizens.
And what are the chances that the Democrats have learned their lesson and will pivot to a more progressive candidate for the next election cycle? It seems more like a Zoolander situation - they just can’t turn to the left.
And what are the chances that the Democrats have learned their lesson and will pivot to a more progressive candidate for the next election cycle?
Exactly zero. The rich people in the DNC benefit just as much from the conservative agenda as any other rich asshole. Not being in power is completely irrelevant to their interests, as far as I can tell.
Unless and until Donnie makes good on his threats to imprison/murder his political opponents, none of them will give a single fuck that leftist didn’t want to vote for them because they weren’t left enough.
Then why did they vote for Trump?
You know, the the one who’s actions and words nearly mirror the key architect of the main genocide people think off when it comes up.
NOTHING in Trumps policy, actions and concept-of-plan tells me Gaza would be any better off under him, and there are significant signs it will be worse, wider spread and include Ukraine, Taiwan and the US itself.
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Glad to hear you liberals finally outright say arabs and Muslims are fucking morons and took a petulant high ground instead of… Voting for their own genocide.
You all continue to improve you’re just as racist as red maga, with more condescension.
If your choices are between honest genocide and dishonest genocide I guess people will choose the side with more virtues.
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Since when are people who facilitate fascism my allies?
How did you misread that this meme implied Harris was your ally?
I blamed the DNC
https://democrats.org/contact-us/
You can put a made up email as long as it fits the xxx@yyy.com scheme.
I told them all to resign and congratulated them on chasing the mystical moderate all the way off a cliff
Blame the Democratic party and Joe Biden. They didn’t put anyone serious up during the primaries against him, they held out from replacing Biden until the last minute and then they lumped Harris with his campaign and no time.
Biden should have stood aside last year (as many voices pushed for), and then the party’s best and brightest should have been given the chance to be the candidate. It might have been Harris, who knows, but whoever it was would then have had the whole of 2024 across the primaries to establish a profile and narrative and tackle Trump.
And maybe a fresh candidate could have broken through on the most important topic to voters: the economy.
It’s wild how for months leading up to the election there were reports and reports on how the economy is doing great. People who pointed out that they weren’t seeing it personally were belittled as not understanding the big picture. And now this election was lost because of economy - one side that I guess didn’t say too much about what could improve (there was a lot on Harris’ site and policies about it, but I guess that was too much for voters). And the other side who said the same thing as before, “going to have a beautiful economy, the greatest ever seen. No one knew it could be so good.”
Well, let’s do another four years, see what burns down this time.
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Whose job was it to win the election, the voters or the candidate? The Harris team looked at the polling, said no, and lost. Put the blame where it fucking belongs.
I put it on the voters who chose even more genocide by letting Trump win.
Well, maybe they should have run a campaign of anti-genocide, not less genocide, especially because genocide is a fucking boolean value.
She should have been antigenocide because it is the right thing to do, not because of poll numbers.
The voters are still fucking idiots.
Maybe they are, but as it turns out, getting them to show up and vote for you is actually kinda important. So maybe she should have done that.
Yeah, but that would require learning from obama’s success and Dems don’t want to.
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Yeah, because foreign policy decisions should definitely be made based on poll numbers.
I don’t like our unconditional support of Israel, but this is a bad take.
So your take is America shouldn’t be a Democracy when it comes to how we interact with other counties? Bold.
That’s exactly my point. We are not a democracy where every decision is put to a poll (especially not a poll made by some private group).
We are a representative republic where we elect leaders who are trusted to make decisions on policy in accordance to their beliefs and stated policy positions when they were elected.
If you think we live in an absolute democracy, that’s pretty bold.
So your take is Americans should have even less control over foreign policy than they already have and they should do so by not holding politicians accountable for foreign policy during elections? Why else would you propose politicians ignore the public on foreign policy issues? It seems like you want less democracy.
So in your view, she bears zero responsibility for promising to continue foreign policies that remain deeply unpopular among her own voter base? She was aware this was an election, right?
Yes, they should be. What the fuck are you talking about about?
Everything should be decided by poll numbers. That’s the point of democracy, to vote for polices and decisions. If more people recognize we did a genocide and want us to stop doing said genocide a presidential candidate that wants easy votes might want to pledge to stop doing a genocide.
I have to disagree. Like if most people were asking for more genocide, you should still not do genocide. Morality/ethics always need to come first.
But of course that doesn’t matter here, seeing as both the people and the ethics are in agreement that genocide is bad.
I would disagree, but state at that point a lot of people need to die and it’s time to help other countries to that to your own. If you find yourself in an evil country, for example one where both of its major parties are not arguing over whether to commit genocide, just who the victims should be, and a majority of people vote for either of those two parties, you should be helping the vulnerable flee and working towards preparing the last remaining humans in the country to do what’s necessary for the world to survive.
Hypothetically speaking, of course.
But more to the point, no, democracy lives or dies with its people. If the majority of people vote for evil, said evil should win, so that it may be stamped out.
You do not punish a crime that may happen, you punish those that have planned or carried out a crime. Until one or the other happens it’s just talk, and thus you would be the criminal if you intervened.
the democrat leadership is to blame. i bet they’ll run further right with republicans next election cycle. nowadays it seems they dont care about policies anymore, all they know is just running around shouting things like “abortion!” “trump bad”.
Seeing that Trump was voted and looking at the utter bullshit that came put of his holes… What makes you think that anything they said was the reason?
I get it, Trump says insane shit. But the undeniably truth is that it doesn’t matter, pointing out Trump is bullshiting everyday won’t help (but calling out his bullshit is still needed). Democrats need good policies to energize its own base. Joe Biden already has a very low-level approval rating, they need something new, something can resonate with voters, yet Kamala basically ran the campaign like “i’m just like joe biden”. (or even worse on things like border).
This is a shit take.
She lost because she’s a woman.
She was never running against Trump. She was running against equality and misogyny. And she lost. In 2024, she lost to misogyny.
Jfc.
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Oh God, I’m so sorry, I just realized this post is 6 days old wow.
She lost for a lot of reasons. OP has one of them. You have another. Both are valid and work to partially explain her loss.
But honestly, significantly lower turnout by Dems this cycle seems to be the underlying cause of her loss. Whether that stems from Israel (or her gender, or her unwillingness to distance herself from Biden, or her inability to don the mantle of a populist in an age where populism is ousting governments all over the world, or her campaign’s difficulty in countering Republican messaging effectively, or a million other reasons you could invent) is debatable, and probably will be picked apart and analyzed by people far more qualified than I and probably also you. There are studies to be made, data to gather, and so on.
Blaming everything on a single cause based on vibes is fine, rhetorically. And I wish Dems did more of that, because it is effective messaging, and it’s certainly true that this country still has a misogyny problem. But if you’re interested in understanding and picking apart the actual causes of Harris’s loss, then being open minded does help. And the rhetoric can be saved for a forum where it is more likely to piss off a Trump voter.
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And the efforts of foreign influence.
The best part is she could’ve even lied to get the votes. It’s not like it’s unprecedented.
And Americans say where they lived is primarily based on climate change, but then move to the worst areas for climate change. I don’t give two shits what people say.
