• maplebar@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    The real dirty truth is that Rashida Tlaib belongs to a 1500 year old delusional authoritarian cult of personality that spread across Arabia and the Mediterranean (Gaza included) by force of genocide, violence and cultural destruction, and that (not unlike evangelical Christians and orthodox Jews) Muslims in America will always be loyal to their backwards, oppressive religion rather than to fundamental concepts like democracy, secular society, equality, and justice under the law.

    There is no such thing as an anti-genocide Muslim, as the prophet Mohammad himself was nothing but a violent conqueror and killer of all who opposed his dogma. Ask these hypocrites how it happened that Arab Muslims ended up living in Gaza in the first place…

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      16 days ago

      The real dirty truth is that Rashida Tlaib belongs to a 1500 year old delusional authoritarian cult of personality that spread across Arabia and the Mediterranean (Gaza included) by force of genocide, violence and cultural destruction, and that (not unlike evangelical Christians and orthodox Jews)

      Lol, so we’re equating all Muslims as violent genocidal cultists, but only evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews are problematic?

      Muslims in America will always be loyal to their backwards, oppressive religion rather than to fundamental concepts like democracy, secular society, equality, and justice under the law.

      And is that different to the vast majority of Christians and Jews? It’s not evangelicals that ended roe v wade, just a couple trad Catholics. It’s not the Orthodox Jews doing the genocide, just regular people.

      There is no such thing as an anti-genocide Muslim, as the prophet Mohammad himself was nothing but a violent conqueror and killer of all who opposed his dogma

      Lol, tell me you’ve never read the old testament without telling me you’ve never read the old testament.

      Ask these hypocrites how it happened that Arab Muslims ended up living in Gaza in the first place…

      “Arab muslims” is a modern cultural designation based on language and religion. Modern Palestinians hail from the same Semitic people as Jews, and have inhabited the levanth since the early bronze age. You are not only incredibly ill hearted, but also incredibly stupid.

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        15 days ago

        so we’re equating all Muslims as violent genocidal cultists, but only evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews are problematic?

        Wrong. All religions are problematic cults of personally built entirely on mass hysteria and delusion by people who value faith over fact. All religious people are cultists, it’s just that we have been culturally groomed to accept some fictional beliefs over others.

        Some religions are generally more compatible with secular society or other religious viewpoints (for example Buddhism), while Islam is unfortunately less accepting of secularism, which is fucking obvious to anyone who has ever looked at life in places like Iran and Afghanistan.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_secularism

        Lol, tell me you’ve never read the old testament without telling me you’ve never read the old testament.

        The Old Testament, as well as the New Testament, are mythology, not historical fact. They are interesting and informative to history only to the same very rough degree as the Iliad and Odyssey.

        The fact that so many people are still caught up on treating these folktales as if they are fact is a big part of the problem with the modern world.

        “Arab muslims” is a modern cultural designation based on language and religion. Modern Palestinians hail from the same Semitic people as Jews, and have inhabited the levanth since the early bronze age. You are not only incredibly ill hearted, but also incredibly stupid.

        False. Are you just going to make believe that the Islamic Caliphates didn’t take over the Middle East and large parts of the Mediterranean by force of violence? I supposed they conquered all of that land through love and peace? Is that what they teach at the madrasa?

        At any rate, those people who lived in Gaza during the time of the Bronze Age Collapse were the Philistines, who were not of Arab ancestry, did not speak pre-classical Arabic, and had almost nothing in common with the modern cultural identity of Gaza, which became centered around Arabic and Islamic traditions during the time of the Rashidun Caliphate post the death of Muhammad. Culturally speaking, the inhabitants of Gaza during the bronze age had more in common with the Minoans than they did with today’s Palestinians, so you have no room to be calling people “stupid”.

        And by the way, if you want to talk history, then let’s talk about the fact that there was never an independent nation of “Palestine” at any point in the last 2000+ years, as it has basically always been controlled and governed by some larger empire, from the Ottoman Empire, to the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, the Greeks under Alexander the Great, the Persians, the Egyptians, and so on.

        “Israel” and “Palestine” as nations were created by the British and the League of Nations within years of each other during the last century, and while both people have historical ties to the land going back hundreds if not thousands of years, neither of them have any more right to their land than the Native Americans have to their historical lands.

        I’m not sure when the so-called self-proclaimed “leftists” of the world became the grand protectors of religious bullshit of the Islamic variety, but it ain’t it.

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        I guarantee I’m further left than you and Rashida Tlaib, it’s just that I believe in secularism and you clearly don’t.

        Sorry buddy, but I’m not going to pretend (in the name of political correctness or whatever horseshit is in vogue these days) that Muslims, Christians, and Jews aren’t fucking cultists participating in mass delusion.