• @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Well yes. Everyone knew trump was going to be worse for the Palestinians. Except for the people who wanted you to hate the democrats more and not vote and wanted you to ignore that.

  • @AliSaket@mander.xyz
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    142 hours ago

    Other than this meme ridiculously implying that if only the pro-Palestine vote would have gone to Harris instead of Trump, then Harris would have won (two ridiculous claims not backed by the reality of the data): Can we please stop with that notion, that the Democrats are trying to stop what’s going on in Palestine and finally see it as the US foreign policy that it is? Who has the power in that relationship? Without the US, Israel has a fraction of its weapons, billions of dollars less for their own civil programs and no shielding from international law. Don’t act like the Biden administration has been genuinely trying to stop a genocide, when they:

    • are supplying weapons (Biden even circumventing congress in at least one case)
    • continuing payments
    • are spreading debunked Israeli propaganda even after they’re debunked while ignoring or actively delegitimizing information to the contrary
    • actively bomb the Huthi’s who attack ships headed for Israel (also with weapons)
    • vetoing or threatening to veto anything that furthers international law on that matter in the Security Council
    • diplomatically and threatingly shielding Israeli threats to the ICC and ICJ
    • actively delegitimize the ICJ and their decisions openly
    • are threatening countries with sanctions if they don’t adopt outrageous laws and standards redefining anti-semitism and cracking down
    • are pressuring countries to tow the line with zionist support
    • … (list is not extensive)

    This behavior isn’t new. International law didn’t matter, when the US offensively brought death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result again in Iraq and Syria. Or when they did the same with the EU in Lybia,. Or when they supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons and support for their genocide in Yemen, and are supplying Egypt with weapons and support for their water war in Sudan, which has seen atrocity after atrocity in its wake. This isn’t even an extensive list of just this century.

    They aren’t trying to stop it. All the public lip-service is but theater as are the negotiations. Which should become clear at the latest, when Israel assassinates their negotiating partners and then the US claims, that there is no one from the other side joining the table…

  • @MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
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    132 hours ago

    Fuck around: do genocide, ignore your base who are apalled by genocide

    Find out: lose election

    If you want to keep losing, keep doing this same shit. Most liberals seem like they would rather lose than agree with online leftists.

  • @ProtecyaTec@lemmy.world
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    62 hours ago

    Sure is going to be difficult to enact change when met with a regime that wants to regress. Hope that y’all who didn’t vote are happy with the outcome cause I sure ain’t.

  • @mlg@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    ignores core voter issues

    spends entire campaign talking about how opponent is worse

    Tells entire uncommitted voter base to fuck off

    “Why did the voters do this to us? Those must be 10 million russian/maga/chinese shills in disguise.”

  • @UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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    I’m sure some of these strawman exist in a field somewhere keeping the crows away.

    Democrats need to get rid of First Past The Post voting in the blue states they control. Time to admit they need help and shouldn’t be going alone against the republicans

    More democracy. More chances to defeat the republicans. More people engaged and involved in the political process.
    More people voting = more votes for democrats. More chances of republicans electing a more moderate candidate.

    Electoral reform is an absolute win for the people of this country. Except for the legacy poltical parties. They will unfortunately have to compete for your vote. If they are unable to stay relevant, that’s on them for becoming weak and frail using FPTP as a crutch.

  • مهما طال الليل
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    I’m never voting Democrat again. You had 13 months to stop the genocide but you didn’t, allowing it to be passed on to Trump.

    Trump says the quiet part out loud. But we have Biden recorded privately saying he’d kill Arab women and children all the way back in 1982. His unconditional support of the genocide proves he hasn’t changed since.

    We didn’t vote for Harris because we knew you weren’t going to pushback on the genocide with her as president just like you didn’t when Biden was president. Now you’re blaming us for Trump despite that all Arab and Muslim American voters still won’t give Harris the 10 million votes she needs to win the popular vote let alone the electoral college.

    Edit 1:

    I voted for Jill Stein. Voting for Trump sends the wrong message since he too is pro-genocide.

    Edit 2:

    If you opposed the genocide you really had no option but to vote for Jill Stein and/or Claudia De la Cruz. Voting Democratic sends the message that the genocide doesn’t affect how you vote and you don’t care if it continues. Voting Republican sends a similar message since they are openly pro-genocide and actually take the Bible’s apocalyptic ending literally. Staying at home doesn’t work either, because if you can’t be bothered to voice your opposition to genocide then future candidates won’t bother to listen.

    From the first month it was clear to me that the genocide will continue no matter who wins. It was clear neither party nor core base of voters care about it. If neither party nor base sees us as humans worthy of empathy, you can’t act entitled to our human-animal votes. We already knew Republicans saw us as animals with no regard to our lives. But to find out that all along the Democrats saw us at best indoor pets and are more than happy to send us to a farm upstate.

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    And no, I am not afraid nor care what comes next. I can’t imagine anything worse than genocide and I am not in any way better than a Gazan. If they can lose their livelihoods and lives abruptly and unfairly, I don’t see why I should be spared. I’d rather take the chance no matter how small and vote for ending the genocide rather than to just save myself/group.

  • @sozesoze@lemmy.world
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    4311 hours ago

    Why would people vote for Republican Lite, if there’s the real deal? At least now we know chasing these Republican votes was foolish and that we should campaign on universal leftist points. Right? Right???

  • @_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    There isn’t 20 million pro-Palestinian people in the US. You liberals don’t want to admit it, but it was YOU who stayed home on Election Day. You made all that fuss about us needing to elect your YASS QUEEN SLAY corporate-funded DEI “hashtag ally” plutocrat, then didn’t even have the decency to get off your fat fucking asses, and skip brunch and your wine break for one fucking day to actually do your civic duty and vote.