• yistdaj@pawb.social
    3·
    2 days ago

    Anecdotal, but I have had bad experiences using Ubuntu. I know it’s not a bad distro, and that it contributes a lot (especially historically), but it’s the other distros that take their contributions and add to it that I find worth using or recommending, or sometimes an unrelated distro. It’s the sort of thing I might give money to, but I’ll never want to use directly.

    I think this is what people mean when they say it’s bad - that distros that take what Ubuntu made and add their own touch seem more user friendly.

  • eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de
    46·
    7 days ago

    I was pretty neutral towards Ubuntu, up until an automatic system update removed my deb Firefox and replaced it with the snap version, even though I specifically set the apt repo to a higher priority.

    The entire reason I left Windows is because I don’t want (for example) Edge shoved down my throat after every update, and yet Ubuntu has gone and done the exact same thing with snaps.

    After literal hours of fighting, the only solution I found was to fully disable automatic updates. With Pop OS I have all the benefits of Ubuntu, but I also get a company (System76) that does cool stuff and doesn’t try shoving snaps down my throat.

  • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    33·
    7 days ago

    I learned better in 2012 when they tried to put an Amazon search bar in their start menu, the same thing people are complaining about with windows today.

    If I wanted to use corposhit I would have stayed with windows.

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      6·
      6 days ago

      By doing what exactly? Snap’s server being proprietary doesn’t affect anyone at all, what else?

      • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
        2·
        4 days ago

        If apt-get detects that a package you told it to install is also available as a snap it’ll silently install that instead and you have to edit the Linux equivalent of the registry to get it to not do that

        • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
          3·
          4 days ago

          Not entirely true. I experienced it with curl. Snap of it exists and it mostly works. But apt install curl will install regular curl. From what I’ve seen on my Ubuntu it installs a snap only if the apt package is set to install a snap. Such as Firefox. It doesn’t exist in Ubuntu’s repo anymore, only as a metapackage.

  • starbrite@lemmy.zipEnglish
    12·
    6 days ago

    I’d love ubuntu, my only real problem with it is it’s owned by a company and not community backed

  • kekmacska@lemmy.zipEnglish
    16·
    6 days ago

    it uses snap (less packages and security than flatpak), app.armor (less secure than Selinux), has a history of anti-privacy integrations (like sending user keystrokes to amazon), still collects some user data. Tumbleweed is better. Great kde implementation, strong security, a lot of cutting-edge software, stability, beginner-friendly

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      18·
      6 days ago

      False (except for less packages, that’s true), false, the amazon incident was a honest mistake and only applied to the search bar in unity (even more specifically the amazon lense), and no data is being collected unless you enable it during the install. https://youtu.be/rdPt8WB1lZw

      Also are you serious? A rolling release distro with automated package builds being more secure? Last time I checked Tumbleweed got affected by the XZ exploit.

    • agelord@lemmy.world
      8·
      6 days ago

      sending user keystrokes to Amazon

      That’s a very serious allegation to make without citing any source.

      Still collects some user data

      Someone has already pointed out, no data is collected unless the user opts in. But, my question is what’s wrong with collecting anonyomized telemetry about most used hardware and most used/unused software features? It helps developers make better decisions.

      • kekmacska@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        5 days ago

        when i want to aid development with writing down my hardware, i should be able to send them, not they should collect it from me.

        • agelord@lemmy.world
          1·
          5 days ago

          Most distros let you either opt-in or opt-out of it though. It’s really not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Besides, the “general” population switching to Linux doesn’t really care about anonymized telemetry.

          Discouraging people to not use a certain distro due to its optional and anonymized telemetry, is foolish.

          • kekmacska@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            5 days ago

            idk but i’d switch to linux for absolutely zero telemetry, or as little as physically possible, while still maintaining a good gaming experience. That’s the reason i’m planning to buy an amd build, not nvidia, i don’t want propertiary drivers even

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      2·
      5 days ago

      Lmao. As if corporate operating systems were bad. What makes RedHat that much better tho? I want to know. From what I’ve seen they are both bringing a lot of value to the FOSS space.

      • Delilah (She/Her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        3·
        5 days ago
        • Fedora makes very minimal changes to downstream. The gnome experience on fedora is the experience the devs intended, for better or worse.
        • It often experiments with new technologies. It was the first to ship pulseaudio out of box. And then again for pipewire. And if it wasn’t the first to install wayland by default, it probably was the first to stop shipping XOrg out of box.
        • It doesn’t install snaps instead of native packages when you run rpm install
        • It’s also Linus Torvald’s distro of choice if that’s worth anything
        • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
          2·
          4 days ago

          • In my humble opinion, the stock experience on Gnome sucks. No desktop icons, no dock, no minimize maximize buttons, no app indicators. I only use Gnome because of the changes Ubuntu made to it, which can be replicated on other distros with a script.

          • That’s valid. Ubuntu has shipped with wayland by default since some time ago but wasn’t the first one. They don’t seem to adopt the latest technology as fast. Which I like. Even the new LTS still gives you the option to use X.org in GDM.

          • Also true. If you don’t like Snaps and aren’t comfortable with more and more packages being replaced by them, Ubuntu isn’t the distro to use. I don’t mind the metapackages installing snaps instead at all honestly. The terminal clearly says it’s installing a snap. And from my experience they work great. I was recently using wsl and needed yt-dlp. I went for the snap right away and it worked great.

          In fact the only broken snaps I have encountered so far are OBS and curl (which can’t access root directories, making it useless for the script I needed)

  • idefix@sh.itjust.works
    13·
    7 days ago

    I’m a very happy Manjaro user and have been for more than 5 years.

    Let’s just say it doesn’t seem to be a popular opinion around here!

    • RGB@lemmy.today
      4·
      7 days ago

      I’ve been curious as to what makes Manjaro better than something like EndeavourOS or just straight up Arch?

      • idefix@sh.itjust.works
        7·
        7 days ago

        I’m too old to say that one distribution is better than another one. The selling points : I have no admin at all to do, and no trouble for 5+ years, although I’m pretty sure I would have had the same results with Arch or Endeavour. I like their default configuration for KDE plasma, and I like their software update workflow. If you’re happy with your distribution, keep it 😁

  • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
    8·
    7 days ago

    Mfw I switch from windows to Ubuntu and I start seeing bad stuff about it

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      5·
      6 days ago

      It’s sad because it’s a genuinely good distro. Linux wouldn’t be anywhere without it yet all I hear is people parroting the same misinformation they heard.

      • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        6 days ago

        Linux wouldn’t be anywhere without is an incredibly shortsighted statement given that redhat has been the defacto standard in the enterprise and for (US) govt purposes

        • tsugu@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          I should’ve worded that better then. Linux wouldn’t be anywhere when it comes to consumer devices like laptops and desktops. It’s possible that without Canonical someone else would’ve made a just works distro for regular people, but they were the first. As far as I know that is. I haven’t used Linux around 2004.

    • agelord@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 days ago

      It is indeed a good distro and one of the main distros that brings innovation to the Linux world. If it works for you, then keep using it.