I kinda get what you mean, am I’m really weirded out by how obsessed the US is with ethnic groups, like “black vote”, “white vote” etc, because most countries don’t focus on race like that.
But data wise, Trump barely increased his vote share in white men over last election, but significantly increased in black men, so I think that’s why some data analysts are pointing it out as an interesting shift in the electorate. However to suggest it’s any ethnic group’s “fault” someone won is just stupid. And if you’re gonna do that, try gen-X white men living in the countryside.
That’s because most countries are far more ethnically homogenous than the US. The ones that aren’t show similar patterns. Look at India for example. Or Israel.
This is, of course, Ameri-centric horseshit. American voting is reported on as white, black, Latino and not-statisitcally-significant. Meanwhile they’ll call other countries “ethnically homogenous” mostly because they don’t know anything about any other countries or literally thousands of years of finding any reason to hate each other. Motherfucker I don’t care if we’re genetically identical I’ll be dead and buried before I vote for a fucking Walloon/Protestant/Catholic/Silesian/Scouser/Galician/Lombard/Frisian (delete as appropriate). They haven’t at any point all been thrown into a cage, deprived of their heritage and told “nah you’re just black/mexican now”. And it ignores that yes, global migration is global. Every colonial state has left people behind in its former colonies, and found themselves with former subjects as citizens too.
Wow, chill out! I was very careful to use the word more. I didn’t say other countries are ethnically homogenous in the absolute sense, just relative to the US. Take Japan for example. Yes, there are quite a lot of ethnic minorities in Japan (both indigenous and foreign) however well over 90% of the country identifies only as Japanese and nothing else. This is a very different picture from the US.
You can see a similar story many other countries but not all. India, for example, has many ethnic groups which are strongly distinguished by language, religion, and culture. It’s also the case that ethnicity plays a major role in the politics of India and that role has been increasing of late, not diminishing.
“I just got back from touring Ireland. It’s wild over there. It just goes to show that without blacks, Jews, or Mexicans, people will improvise!”
-Jimmie Walker
Japan is a major exception to the general trend though. They are one of the only western democracies that barely accept any migrants.
And even then, Japan has a significant population of what used to be Korean Slaves during the war, to someone in the US, they might “look the same” but these people are heavily discriminated against, a lot of them are statless and refused citizenship because of their korean heritage, even if they lived in Japan for 80+ years.
And that’s ignoring the forced homogenisation in the late 19th and early 20th centuries during the Meijing Restoration. Where all the minor ethnic groups in Japan were forcibly “mixed in” and their culture was destroyed and replaced with the majority group’s culture to create an ethnostate.
Well you also have to take into account that Japan has elected a right wing government nearly consistently since the end of the war thanks to concerted government/American suppression of the left since the end of the war.
Meanwhile they’ll call other countries “ethnically homogenous” mostly because they don’t know anything about any other countries or literally thousands of years of finding any reason to hate each other.
It’s a lot easier to not hate someone who looks just like you, speaks like you, believes in the same things as you, etc etc. You can put a lot of names to subgroups, but most Europeans are white atheists/Christians. If Europe wasn’t ethnically homogeneous they wouldn’t go this batshit insane over Middle Eastern immigration. Because that’s not the reaction of people who are used to ethnic diversity; that’s the reaction of people whose first time seeing someone speaking a non-European language outside of TV.
As an outsider, my guess is to construct and and cultivate the idea that minorities vote in a block. I mean, no one literally needs to be told that non white people all vote for the same person or anything. However, it only has to work just enough to make just enough white people vote down racial lines.
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I’m all for not scapegoating any minority, since what’s notable about the Black vote is roughly the same as for Latin American, younger demographics, and so on: it isn’t that they are “to blame,” it’s that the support increased over 2016 or 2020.
So while it’s a good reminder not to scapegoat, we definitely still need to talk and think about how different demographics (who will absolutely lose rights and opportunities under Trump) looked at Trump and decided to say, “more, please,” if we’re ever going to get out of this mess.
There’s that quote that said something along the lines of give poor white men someone to look down on and they’ll empty their pockets for you. I think that’s one of the reasons latino voters voted for Trump. There was a lot of misinformation demonizing Venezuelan immigrants in spanish and I think that led a lot of these morons to believe they were part of the “in” group and they would benefit.
LBJ said it:
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you. - Lyndon B. Johnson”
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9150190-if-you-can-convince-the-lowest-white-man-he-s-better
Had a similar thought and you put it very well! AP VoteCast data here is helpful on this point (caveat that final numbers are probably still not in yet)
Or maybe the DNC refuses to speak to, let alone execute an agenda regarding the needs of the working class, election after election. Of course they’d be trounced after effectively revealing themselves as controlled opposition.
My forlorn hope is a massive repudiation of the DNC establishment in the next round of primaries.
Armed revolution in the face of predator drones with hellfires and 5th generation multi-role fighter aircraft is a fool’s errand for suicidal rubes.
“So V, quiet life or blaze of glory hm?”
1812 overture intensifies
Yes I know, wrong V. I don’t care.
Yo prefiero vivir con paz si posible.
Wouldn’t we all, but needs must when the devil drives.
The moderate wing feels entitled to those votes.
And for whatever reason they keep doubling down on refusing to do voter outreach and listening to what Dem voters want. Current leadership will never back away from the strategy of:
What are ya gonna do, vote R?
Because it’s obviously not working. As long as we allow the DNC to prioritize rewarding donor bundlers with leadership positions, it’ll never change.
The only metric is bringing money in, so whoever pays the most gets to determine the party platform.
Which wouldn’t suck so much if the DNC was the furthest right option. When that’s how the furtherest left option acts, turnout will always be abysmal and even when we “win” we still lose and billionaires always win.
Because of citizens united, money decides election wins. So how do we win without donors?
They outspent and lost this time.
That doesn’t mean we can win without donors. Republicans had foreign bots and billionaires buying votes.
Ever hear the one about wrestling a pig in the mud?
Why are you avoiding the question?
There isn’t a question in your previous comment.
And apparently you haven’t heard the one.
You don’t wrestle a pig in mud because it gets mud all over you and the pig likes it.
It will only drive up donorship to the Republicans and foster more lenient
briberydonation policy from the Democrats going forward.The Democrats need to actually submit themselves to overhauling campaign funding if they want to make any headway. But they want that money. They want it more than they want any of their alleged policy goals.
Because of citizens united, money decides election wins. So how do we win without donors?
This was the question that you are avoiding.
To overhaul campaign funding they need to win. For that to happen they need donors.
Also, just because a saying exists doesn’t make it right.
You answered your own question.
In a nation where money decides election wins, you’ve already completely lost. There is no longer a way to make a society here that focuses on the wellbeing of the citizenry as long as the correct framework remade to prohibit it exists. .
The best we can hope for, if literally anyone gave shit one about there being a future here, is painful but necessary collapse, this system is completely corrupted and cannot be repaired. To not see this just makes one blind. The owners use the media they own for exclusive private benefit to divide the populace and maintain perpetual control.
I voted for Harris out of harm reduction to attempt to mitigate some cruelty, but not with hope. Rejecting Reagan was our last chance, and we utterly failed, now the corruption is baked in generationally.
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No one is blaming minorities for the rise of Trump, they’re pointing out that since Trump expanded his margins across all demographics, Kamala Harris’ failure can’t be easily explained away by racism or misogyny, and there must be a deeper frustration among many of the groups that make up the Democrats’ coalition like black and Latino Americans. Also, I rarely hear Democrats make this point; they seem to mainly blame wokeness.
Edit: OK, when I say “Democrats,” I mean actual Democrats — people who are in leadership positions in the party. I am not talking about unhinged liberals that are reveling in Trump’s anti-Gaza cabinet picks because they blame Muslims for their loss. Actual Democratic party members are much quieter about the collapse of the demographics that make up the Obama Coalition.
I think you need to read the news more, then. We’ve seen so many articles focusing on the Hispanic vote, for example. Which is a fine thing to write about, but we should always keep in mind the horrendous numbers of openly racist white folk.
And if you haven’t seen Democrats trying to blame people, where were you last month? How many posts did we see blaming third party voters? How many posts did we see accusing everyone complaining about genocide as Russian plants? Democrats and Democrat supporters were desperately looking to deflect attention from themselves, both then and now.
Thanks, I read the news plenty. I’ve seen pundits spend lots of time examining the Latino departure from the party. I’ve seen liberals blame everyone to their left. I’ve seen Democrats pivot towards blaming wokeness (specifically, the centrist Democratic delegates at the DNC), except for Nancy Pelosi, who directly blames Biden. They seem desperate not to acknowledge minority groups voting for Trump, since it would mean acknowledging the unraveling of the Obama Coalition.
And what is “wokeness.” “Wokeness” means to them the existence of queer people, women, and POC.
Also, I envy you for not seeing democrats blame minorities for the rise of Trump, I wish I could be so happily nieve.
Wokeness to them means, “progressive policy positions we believe will be a net loss with the electorate.” This year, that will almost certainly mean abandoning trans people, since the bigoted, “she’s for they/them,” campaign Trump ran against Harris was very effective. It’s similar to how the party was happy to capitalize off the energy of the 2020 BML protests, but once the phrase, “Defund the Police,” started test poorly with the electorate, they began distancing themselves from the movement.
I haven’t heard any Democrats blame minorities. I mean, sure, I’ve seen terminally online people say that Muslims and Latinos deserve what’s about to happen, but the actual Democrats don’t seem to want to even acknowledge the loss. They pretty much only have identity politics left for a platform; they’ve adopted conservative positions on fiscal policy, foreign policy, and border policy; all they can really do to differentiate themselves from Republicans is to not be openly hostile to minority groups. The fact that they are now losing these groups seems like something few of them want to acknowledge.
Only thing is, the Trump anti-trans ads weren’t effective. Yet that hasn’t stopped some establishment Democrats from blaming the loss on that issue and ‘wokeness’. From the polling, the best rhetoric to have is to be pro-trans but not have it as a forefront issue. Advocating for universal programs like access to healthcare be a forefront issue and simply extending that right to trans people when needed is the most beneficial.
Hey, I’m right there with you, but based on this piece from Politico, it sounds like a lot of Democrats want to go right on social issues. The unnamed delegate from Florida even references the ad, and all but says, “we need to stop supporting trans stuff.” The Democrats don’t want to go back to being an economically left party, so some of them are trying to see if dialing back the, “wokeness,” will help, and if they get their way, it looks like trans issues will be first of the chopping block.
Yeah that’s what I was referencing. The Trump anti-trans ads weren’t effective on the American public, if anything the opposite; but were effective on getting the Democratic Party to move to the right on social issues, in opposition to public sentiment. Only effective because the Democratic Party refuses to recognize the real reasons for their major loss in public support. If they continue to go right on social issues, I only see them losing even more support
Well, glad to know it wasn’t effective. The pundit class was talking about how damaging it was, but I shouldn’t have assumed they were basing that on facts.
Also, I rarely hear Democrats make this point; they seem to mainly blame wokeness.
Then you must not spend much time here. I’ve seen so many variants of “BuT GaZa” on Trump related news posts it’s gotten seriously fucking annoying.
When say Democrats, I mean party members — people who actually matter, not terminally online liberals. The actual party doesn’t want to acknowledge that the Obama Coalition is falling apart.
Oh I see. That makes sense.
Democrats are absolutely blaming minorities, have you just been blind?
Please see the edit, or the 3 other comments that said the exact same thing.
Yeah your edit is still wrong, there are current Democratic leaders trying to scapegoat minorities for the loss.
Source?
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Every election cycle, the Democrats and media start to fret about the black vote. Will black women turn out? Will black men vote correctly? And this cycle culminated in the Obamas going on a “pull your pants up and vote” tour to boost turnout.
Now I’m not black, but I recognize double standards and condescension. I wouldn’t want to be treated that way.
After the election, Latinos have been targeted by progressive rage and lashing out. I’ve seen people that I used to respect say that they deserve to be deported because of their vote.
So black folks, brown folks, Hispanics, etc go ahead and vote for trump. Fuck around and find out. DNC sucks balls, but if you can’t vote minimally in your own interests you’re about to get what’s coming to you. Sorry about ya, the writing is on the wall.
My Indiana coastal elite D voting ass is not spending any more time or energy saving morons from their own vote.
What, they demanded incompetent racist fuckery. Order up! The fact that they brought down all women with them is, like, a bonus.
Turnout was a much bigger problem than where the votes went. The Democrats lost not against the Republicans so much as against their voter base. Turnout tends to be the biggest predictor for who wins US elections as the Republicans tend to have more dedicated/consistent voters
Funny that this is just more divisive rhetoric enabling right-wing talking points . It’s almost like it’s not a matter of minorities, but of socioeconomic class and education disparities leading to people across the board voting against their own interests because they don’t know how to parse truth from bullshit.
The sooner black WORKERS, latino WORKERS, white WORKERS all rally under the same banner that points the finger at the rich who controls the vast majority of resources in not just this country but globally, we’ll just keep fighting over increasingly fewer breadcrumbs.
If you haven’t realized the Dems are also using divisive rhetoric, I’m not sure this meme or my comment will be enough to help you.
The racism was used to sell to white “middle classes” the dream of becoming rich and lording it over the “not white” who were separated, segregated. In this context, white is a class, not a race, and it is most definitely not something that can just be dispelled by informing people that it’s all made up by capitalists to divide the people. You can think of this class as “honorary petite bourgeois” for those workers.
Even if it’s true what you say, you don’t get to demand that people who’ve experienced racist attacks and discrimination suddenly forget about it and reclassify that experience as just a misunderstanding.
Some reading for you:
Toward a Political Philosophy of Race by Falguni A. Sheth | Goodreads
A People’s History of the United States: 1492 - Present - Zinn Education Project
“Exterminate All the Brutes”: One Man’s Odyssey into the Heart of Darkness and the Origins of European Genocide by Sven Lindqvist | Goodreads - this one is also an HBO documentary
Instead the base should focus their anger on the democratic party itself. Give us something to fight for or keep losing
Haven’t had a real primary since 2008. WTF is this anti democratic “superdelegate” bullshit?
The party leadership has been captured by big money donors.
Well, anyone who voted for Trump is part of the reason Trump was voted, independent of skin colour. And I think voting for Trump is beyond stupid, even if you are a staunch conservative. Why is that racism?
53% of white women also voted for Trump in 2024. They also swung the vote in 2016.
But really, the DNC just fucked up, plain and simple. They’re run by a quorum of dinosaurs all Group Thinking their soggy old brains to failure after failure.
Whether or not people are literally blaming minorities, Democrats have acted as if they are owed the votes of minorities and the working class which meant they felt no incentive to actually try and appeal to them or do more than token gestures.
I’m not surprised they lost the minority vote. They’ve been asking for it for a while.
The US is so fundamentally racist there is an entire holiday dedicated to answering the question of whether or not Italians are real white people.
At first I was kind of annoyed that Columbus was the guy proving that Italians belong in the grouping, but you know what? Maybe he was the whitest dude to ever live, which explains all of the crimes against humanity.
Oh look, disingenuous twisting of the discourse. Big fucking surprise.
