Trans men are men.

  • Mango@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    What makes us men any more than being beings with arbitrary shapes? I’m using arbitrary in the literal sense of “decided by individuals without regards to external factors”.

    I’m not a man. I’m me, and I happen to be in this body. All these words are just ways other people are labeling me so they can decide how I’m to be treated. Putting a label on a person is no different than putting a handle on your coffee pot.

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      3 days ago

      In the way “man” is being used here, it’s not your body that would make you a man, but your gender identity. For most people, those are intuitively the same thing, but that only makes it more important to be clear about the terms being used here.

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          Listen, if you want to question the terms or concepts being used here then go for it, but please don’t barrel into the discussion and obstinately refuse to use the same definitions as everyone else while intentionally not making that clear just so that you can try to own people. We all see through it and it’s obnoxious and only serves to erode the quality of discussion.

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            2 days ago

            don’t barrel into the discussion and obstinately refuse to use the same definitions as everyone else while intentionally not making that clear just so that you can try to own people.

            Well if that’s the proper way to do things, I’m gonna need you all to stop obstinately refusing to use the words “man” and “woman” the same way as everyone else while intentionally not making that clear for whatever reason you have. It really IS rude to hijack already existing language to change the conventions everyone else is already using. I would also like people to stop acting like feminism is egalitarianism when the label is clearly gendered.

            If you wanna question what it is to be a man or a woman, then go for it, but have some definition ready before asserting what’s what in the face of thousands of years of precedent.

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              Dude what are you talking about? I can spend a lot of time describing what I do for work, or I can use a label that describes my occupation. It won’t 100% do the job, but will be sufficient most of the time, and if not I can elaborate. How do you even talk to people without using labels, are you happen to be Treebeard or something?

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      4 days ago

      What makes us men any more than being beings with arbitrary shapes?

      Mango, why do you always have to be the one saying absolutely ridiculous shit?