I don’t want to keep drama going around for longer than necessary and would rather but I’m afraid of stepping on toes by touching on a previously struggle session-ed topic I didn’t know about. It would be nice to have maybe a one line briefing somewhere on these things if possible.

hot take: upvoting fascist tailism is actually banworthy

Agreed (even though I also think the reasoning and very temp-ban was not the worst). If they want to power trip they should be open and upfront about it (though then I imagine there might will definitely be understandable splintering- well such is online comms as well as leftist spaces). It would be funny then at least

I’m not wading into some 100+ comments thread, so I’ll comment here instead:

1. A lot of this is because we are on some shitty Reddit clone that doesn’t have a read button. I pretty much just used the upvote button as a read button on Reddit. It’s something that I had to unlearn on here.

2. People are going to accidentally upvote stuff they shouldn’t have upvoted, especially when they’re on their phone. I know on Twitter, some people would just block you because you accidentally liked something they don’t like. This is why I use an alt when browsing Hexbear on my phone. I don’t want to be put in a situation where I get banned because my fingers accidentally upvoted something that I shouldn’t have upvoted.

3. I’m glad you’re still around. I was worried the dunk tank drama had chased you off the site.

hardly a sword for me, I like the drama.

Can’t speak for anyone who might have taken it the wrong way (your upvotes, though who among us hasn’t done similar once…?) but I have infinite love and respect for comrades who better themselves, let alone fess up publicly to it which must be a hell of a thing and I don’t think anyone was even asking for.

Maybe some might not be cool with it (no one’s spoken up as such yet I think?) but as a broader space and community in general I think this is an important and wonderful thing (where it can be afforded- and in the circumstances it certainly could be far, far more than afforded IMO). We all have to start somewhere (as someone who was raised pretty much a chud, who has fucked up really badly before and learnt better, etc etc…).

letting people vote on quanta of conversation was a mistake. this is not a joke, i have come to understand over time that while abolition of the down vote was good, complete destruction of internet points is better. even though i like when i get a lot of them. they’re still fucking bad for human brains.

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I can’t see upbear counts so I will make the signature regardless lol

I think they’ll need to stay for the hot/top sorting function to work, but hiding the numbers would be v. good imo

that is so fucked up

Amber.

shilling for right wingers while posing as a leftist should allow criticism

More serious, though, I kinda think this demonstrates how unhelpful “fascist” is as a political description in the 21st century. Like, what makes you something, what makes you a liberal or a socialist or a conservative or a fascist isn’t just what you think or believe. It’s how you act, what you do, that actually makes you something. So, if you look at most US americans… they aren’t really anything more than Workers on the clock and Consumers off the clock. They believe and think all sorts of things (fully contradictory things, often enough), but until any of those thoughts or beliefs translate to real action, they may as well not exist.

But when we talk and type about these things, there’s often a more relaxed threshold; “a communist believes in more bigger government”, “a libertarian is someone who thinks you should be allowed to indentured servitude your offspring”. (I think, for the english speaking world, it’s partly do to an ingrained Protestant culture - what makes you a Christian isn’t necessarily what you do or the community you keep, it’s the personal thoughts and intentions you have that God is always keeping tally of.) If our criteria for “fascist” is simply “thinks/believes X, Y, and Z” then we’re going to be including far more people in that category than if it were action-dependent, like “acts to harm marginalized communities”.

It doesn’t help that the word is being thrown about with a lot more abandon. Liberals will call anyone who votes for Trump fascist. And, like, sure, voting is an action (barely). But I don’t really think my well meaning neighbors who are (rightly) frustrated with the state of things belong in the same political category as skinheads and klan members just because they voted for the funny orange man or repeat some vile talking points they got from cable television.

Mods tempbanned a handful of people for upvoting a reactionary post basically.

Same. I’m not in the loop on this one at all

more like phppb