Wait-a-minute Wednesday: To draw attention towards a situation or decision which bares further scrutiny.

For example: the crew of the Defiant not stopping Captain Sisko from committing acts of terrorism in order to prevent other atrocities being carried out by the Maquis.

So let’s dig up the decidedly bone-head commands made by any characters throughout the Continuum, aside from the tried and true Tuvixian methodology. Or do, just provided there’s a fresh/skewed take to be had.

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      All the difference. We’re talking about the values of a people who knew they were dying. You called them idiots for wanting to be remembered by a person who actually cared about them. I think if you ask most people they’d rather be remembered by their loved ones than have their life recorded as a bunch of artifacts in a museum.

      According to their values, their probe succeeded wildly in a way that nearly all other extinct cultures failed. The only other ones to come close were those aliens that hid their own humanoid DNA in the genetics of all the major civilizations. Even then, those aliens didn’t succeed at getting anyone to care about them the way Picard cared about the Resikans.

      TLDR: no one cares about a bunch of crap people leave behind when they die. Go to an estate sale and see.

      Edit: if you have a few hours to kill, watch this video. Then come back and continue the discussion.

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          They wanted one person to remember them. All the other extinct cultures had none!

          Anyway, suppose they had made the probe infinitely reusable as long as you hooked it up to a power source. Then it would’ve turned into a Disney ride, totally cheapening the experience. Do you see what I’m getting at?

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            You’re getting at the fact that the whole thing is a stupid plot device for a poignant episode and it makes no sense. “All the other extinct cultures had none” especially makes no sense considering the probe used itself on a guy who’s hobby was learning about what extinct cultures left behind.

            I’m sorry, nothing you have said makes the probe a better idea to memorialize a civilization than the carved plaque we put on the Pioneer probe. Because everyone can see the plaque and learn about us that way. And even if we had the same technology as the probe, we, and they, could do both.

            I don’t think you are getting the idea that a memorial space probe for an entire species that went extinct right after making the probe without a single piece of text on it is nonsense.

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              Did you watch the video I linked about nutmeg? We actually have real life examples of cultures going extinct in real time. The Bandanese people are witnessing the death of their own language as it happens. What upsets them the most is that their own children don’t speak their language. They could not care less about memorials to their language in some institute of language in the capital city.

              That’s the whole genius of The Inner Light. They reached out across the vastness of space and time and taught Picard what it really meant to be a person living on their planet, in their culture. No stupid memorial plaque or other token could achieve that.

              It’s not the piece of pottery that matters! It’s the people making it. Their lives and their experiences.

              I met a traveller from an antique land

              Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

              Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,

              Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

              And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,

              Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

              Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,

              The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:

              And on the pedestal these words appear:

              "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:

              Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

              No thing beside remains. Round the decay

              Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare

              The lone and level sands stretch far away.

              — Percy Shelley, “Ozymandias”, 1819 edition

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                Nothing that you have said at any point justifies the lack of text and images. Languages die out because of a lack of text. Are you trying to say they didn’t invent writing but invented psychic space probes?

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                  Languages die when people stop speaking them. They cannot be revived from written records. People still study Latin today but it will forever be a dead language because the chain of speakers was broken. The same goes for culture, for which language is a part. You cannot preserve a culture after all of its native practitioners are gone.

                  What the Resikans did was to preserve their own culture by giving Picard a life on their planet. Through his experiences he became the last living member of their culture. The profound grief he shows and his reluctance to talk about it is exactly what we would expect from the last survivor of a dying culture.

                  Unfortunately, Picard has no way to preserve their culture because he cannot recreate their entire way of life. No amount of writings or other artifacts can do that.

                  This is what we see all over the world with indigenous cultures that are dying off. They cannot be saved by scientists studying them and writing everything down and cataloguing all the art they’ve made. Just as you can’t save a species from extinction using dissection and taxidermy.