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    Realistically? It’s far more likely that they’re trying to send a message considering how many people have elevated this dude into hero status. In their minds, if he’s not put down, a trend is likely to bet set.

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      I think the wrong message will be sent.

      The message will be “if you’re going to off a CEO, you might as well include the whole board and any other CEO you can because the punishment is the same.”

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        “The punishment for one murder is the same as the punishment for several murders is the same as the punishment for looking at the governor funny; It’s just death.” - Civvie11

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    It’s because the elite got afraid and they need to set an example now so that the masses don’t get stupit ideas.

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    (Verse 1) When the kids hit the floor, but they ask us for more, That’s Amer’ca. When the lives of the poor are ignored by the law, That’s Amer’ca.

    (Chorus) Watch them plead, watch them die, while the courts close an eye, That’s Amer’ca. If the rich man falls, then the gallows will call, That’s Amer’ca.

    (Verse 2) You can slaughter a class, and they’ll let it all pass, That’s Amer’ca. But for one CEO, they’ll demand death row, That’s Amer’ca.

    (Chorus) Where the guilty walk free, and the children just bleed, That’s Amer’ca. If your crime’s against power, you’re gone in an hour, That’s Amer’ca.

    (Bridge) It’s a system of lies where the powerless die, And their screams hit the sky, unanswered, denied, That’s Amer’ca.

    (Outro) So remember the game, it’s a broken refrain, That’s Amer’ca. When a life’s worth is weighed by the dollars displayed, That’s Amer’ca.

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    The law isn’t about morality or social good or promoting the general order; it’s about power and who wields it. The law is fundamentally a vehicle through which those who stand atop social hierarchies can command, exploit, and do violence to those less powerful. A CEO can kill tens of thousands of Americans every year with a pen and that isn’t murder: a coal company can poison generations and that isn’t murder: a police department can force homeless people to flee from place to place until they die from exposure and that isn’t murder. The law exists to protect and promote the interests of the powerful, because that is what legal systems are designed to do.

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      And that’s why we fight back where we can and weaponize what we can; that’s why we use jury nullification in cases like these.

      It wasn’t Luigi.

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        Can confirm, was playing couch split screen Madden with him all night. We drank a few beers and he crashed in the spare room

        …and believe you me your honor, I am a light sleeper and always wake up when the front door opens and closes in this apartment.

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          Ultimately, there is a better strategy to jury nullification:

          https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf

          TL;DR: It is most effective to plant seeds of doubt when reasonable, and legitimate ones. For this particular case, it would be the fact that the eyebrows don’t match between pictures, the police said they had found the backpack in NY only to then say they found him with his backpack at McDonalds, the fact that Luigi claims shit was planted on him and the police have a running history of planting evidence to suit their needs, etc.

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            You’re absolutely right, I was conflating the manhunt and trial.

            The faces don’t match, and keeping the gun would be my reasonable doubt. No reason to keep something you can print again anytime. The police’s history speaks for itself, no verdict

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        You’re right. In fact, it wasn’t a human at all! It was St. Michael the Archangel himself, personally coming down from on high to smite the wicked and the greedy! It’s not Luigi’s fault that he just happens to look a bit like St. Michael!

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    The January 6th insurrection of 2020 was orchestrated and led by Donald Trump. Several nobodies have been charged and imprisoned over their miniscule contributions to the attack on our government. But the ringleader, the orchestrator, the figurehead behind it all faced no charges, no consequences, and was just reappointed to the highest office in the land. We don’t need Luigi to see that there is no justice inherent in the system. Justice is blind (to the misdeeds of the wealthy).

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        I’m sure they will. But there’s an enormous gulf between people who have millions of dollars, and people who represent multi-billion dollar corporations. The difference between a million and a billion dollars is basically about a billion dollars.

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          TBF nobody Brian Thompson knew is at any disadvantage as a result of his death, Luigi isn’t being sued so it’s not Luigi vs a multibillion dollar corporation. It’s not like Luigi actually did anything to harm the corporations, they’re all still standing.

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    Source for anyone interested. I was initially confused since New York got rid of the death penalty decades ago, but it’s from a new federal charge I hadn’t seen yet.

    As far as I can find they haven’t officially said they’re pursuing the death penalty for this charge just that this charge is eligible for it. I see no other reason for it though.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/dec/19/luigi-mangione-eligible-death-penalty-new-federal-/

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      Damn. They are genuinely scared shitless by this. They are not pulling any punches either. And there is nothing more dangerous than a group of powerful people who are scared.

      This is why the constitution has an amendment about cruel and unusual punishment. But we know that those in power have (decades-) long abandoned the constitution.

      I believe the genuine terrorism has been the US gov, and it’s been a long time in the making. They’ve spent generations conditioning us all that it’s somebody else’s dilemma. I hope their fervor to scare us back in line backfires extraordinarily.

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      Not to discredit the opinion, but don’t most school shooters (if not all -I don’t really pay attention) get killed on site and also have a personal grievance rather than just manipulation by media and statistics? Mangione seemed poised to become a serial killer. If he’s free’d, it tells society it’s ok to go around killing allegedly bad people (and ~20% of us are incredibly gullible conspiracy theorists -percent will be higher on certain sites on the internet as opposed to real life).

      We also have to wonder how much more effective long term Mangione could have been alive and free.

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        Mangione seemed poised to become a serial killer.

        That’s pure speculation. And I hate to tell you this but people don’t typically get sentence for “future crimes”.

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        He killed a serial killer. And killing multiple serial killers is a societal good (as long as the state isn’t the one doing the killing).

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          Denying people certain services does not equate to murder.

          Should I kill a CEO for approving VIOXX which caused heart disease, intense abdominal pain, and GERD? -How about the doctor for prescribing it over an extremely minor issue? -Then there’s the subsequent prescription ant-acids that can cause stomach cancer. -What about their responsibility when lemon water with cayenne worked as good or better?

          When I tore rotator cuffs, I was denied surgery from the insurance company because they were only up to 40% tears. -I recovered for the most part and am glad I didn’t get the risky surgery.

          I was told I needed a hernia operatation (umbilical). Other people got it and ended up needing follow up surgery. Every surgery is a risk of your life.

          So without knowing specifics (I have yet to see any among all this nonsense), I’m not supporting blatant killing which is what Mangione did. -Or show me how the CEO was directly responsible without resorting to propaganda (which statistics typically are).

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            Denying people certain services does not equate to murder.

            I gotta say… having read your comment a couple of times: You are stunningly ignorant and self-centered.

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            When it comes to denying claims, multiple reports suggest that UHC, which is the country’s largest health insurer and serves some 50 million people, is an industry leader, with a rate nearly double the industry average. A recent Senate report slammed the company for denying nursing care to patients recovering from falls and strokes on its Medicare Advantage plans, and it currently faces a class action lawsuit for its use of AI algorithms to automatically refuse payment.

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              Statistics are used for propaganda and lawsuits are not guilty verdicts. Without sitting in that courtroom, we shouldn’t be acting like jurors.

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                Here’s the thing: I specifically selected a passage which had three different types of evidence (the whole article has more) because you wanted specifics but not statistics. So given that, was the senate report convincing?

                If not, please think about what sort of information you might want to support the concept that the CEO was culpable. Personally I would look for statistics in this type of situation and simply evaluate them myself to see if they are misleading, because statistics seem like the only way to separate one CEO from another.

                If there’s not a type of evidence that would work, you’re not holding a neutral position.

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            You are right but probably answering to a shit stirring bot or a 13yo edgelord.

            Making him a hero is fucked up and cringe, even if the other guy was worse.

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          You don’t even know to source your propaganda. For all we know, it’s The Onion or The National Enquirer.

          -Maybe stay out of the debate on it?

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              A prankster? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein

              In July 2019, Klippenstein was covered in the media after a Twitter incident in which he was retweeted by Iowa Congressman Steve King just before changing his Twitter display name to “Steve King is a white supremacist”.[45][46][47] In March 2021, Klippenstein pranked author Naomi Wolf by recommending she tweet an image of a fabricated anti-vaxxer quotation paired with a picture of American pornography actor Johnny Sins.[48]

              On Memorial Day 2021, Klippenstein tricked political commentators Dinesh D’Souza and Matt Schlapp, as well as Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz, into retweeting a photograph of John F. Kennedy’s assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, whom Klippenstein claimed was his veteran grandfather.[49] After being retweeted by Gaetz, Klippenstein changed his display name on Twitter to be “matt gaetz is a pedo”. Gaetz later deleted his retweet.[50][51]

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        No, they don’t. And I’m not sure why you think that he planned to continue killing, unless you know something we don’t.

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          Was he an idiot? Why would he have been found with the murder weapon and a manifesto? If I were out to kill one person, both of those would be the first things I’d get rid of.

          Ok, maybe I can agree that he was an idiot.

          edit: yes! The fact that he was found with those can lead to different / harsher charges.

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    People keep parroting this statement. I’m so confused because it does not hold up to any scrutiny.

    If you think for 5 seconds, school shooters aren’t charged with the death penalty because they overwhelmingly kill themselves or die during the shooting. They are also usually children, which might get them more lenient sentences.

    This type of surface level logic just makes the supporting side look bad. There are far better comparisons to draw from

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      Lol, walk me to the door on this one:

      So you are arguing that because the majority of people that commit this horrific crime are so encumbered by depravity that they kill themselves to avoid facing justice or are too SYMPATHETICALLY VULNERABLE, the proportion of shooters that ever face justice is already very low? Even accepting your argument (assuming that you believe school shooters who face justice are sentenced appropriately), we should see nearly every shooter who faces justice getting the death penalty…

      But we don’t. You would be hard-pressed to find any references to school shooters that get sentenced with the death penalty because of how infrequent it is - child or not 🙄.

      My man, get some fucking perspective. How did you put it, surface level logic? You know a lot about that, eh?

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        we should see nearly every shooter who faces justice getting the death penalty

        I’m not sure what you mean by this, is this what you believe? I should add that the death penalty is rare to end up being sentenced and that it isn’t justified in every case as well.

        I’m saying that the death penalty is already rare, then you need to be at least 18, you need to survive the shooting, and then you need to have a jury mostly unanimously agree to sentence you

        Also it’s not like Mangione has been sentenced with the death penalty, these articles are reacting to the possibility of facing charges that could lead to the death penalty, which has been applicable for any other first-degree murder cases, for example killing a single person during a bank robbery

        I’m just saying that the comparison is pointless. Complain about him receiving federal charges unusually, sure. But doing this “whataboutism” and referencing school shooters vs the UHC shooter is not well-founded

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            Exactly, complain about the terrorism charge, not the red herring that is "he has the possibility of potentially being charged with the death penalty (as compared to a random other type of shooting?), when that’s something that is a blanket standard possibility for federal murder – A bank robber is probably not as evil as some mass shooters, but one is more eligible for the death penalty, while the mass shooter depends on the state they’re in.

            The addition of federal murder and stalking charges is critical. The fact that he will have to be trailed twice for one murder seems excessive

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          The part you cut out gives the context you are asking for.

          I’m not sure what you mean by this, is this what you believe?

          Words are hard. I get it. Accepting your argument and assuming you stand behind it… Yes. In your hypothetical world, yes, I do. Was that not your point??? That shooters don’t get perceived as receiving appropriate justice because they die or are ineligible??? is this what you believe?

          the death penalty is rare

          you fucking donkey

          No shit Sherlock. What do you think the point of the OC was???

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      Also didn’t NY State abolish the death penalty? Or can he be charged with a federal crime to override that?

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    I’m still trying to figure out where the federal jurisdiction is in a simple murder, it’s not a serial thing, a hate crime, or a crime conducted across state lines. Could the federal government really just be charging anyone with simple murder?

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        Unironically it is due to him using a phone across state lines in order to stalk the CEO first as well as the bus.

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          That is the flimsiest crap I’ve ever heard. There’s been a problem with stalkers not getting prosecuted for decades and now suddenly they’re so interested they get charges in a matter of days?

          The double standard could not be more clear. The people are left to fend for themselves while the federal government uses every tiny scrap of power to defend the wealthy.

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    I wonder if the next shooter, if they survive the attack, will also be paraded around the same way. Hopefully we find out sooner than later.

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      Some guy in Michigan stabbed his boss to death recently and the answer is no. People actually don’t seem to care at all, even.

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        The reporting that the guy stabbing is a copycat crime is 100% promoted from the media. He’s some random dude that stabbed his boss. I believe that some are trying to group him into the same category as the UHC shooter, random stuff like this probably happens every day.

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          I’ve seen people in these very comments claim him as part of their “movement.” I guess we won’t know for sure unless they get interviews or something.

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        I’m not sure how politically motivated that was. The story I read was he was in a higher level position, in a morning meeting. Quickly left the meeting, showed back up 5 minutes later with a “surgical mask” and stabbed the boss before running off. The boss survived, the guy was probably a run of the mill psycho and probably didn’t put the same amount of thought into it as Luigi did.

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    It’s a bit absurd to me to compare the charges to the end result.

    What are some examples of school shooters in a capital punishment state (or who were charged federally) whose prosecutors did not try to pursue a death sentence?

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        Right, I was asking for a school shooter whose prosecutors did NOT try for death sentence. That’s the weird implication made by the post’s image.

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      The age/race/economic level/crimes/charges/verdicts graph is one that is…intriguing in a scientific sense and likely necessary to show in crayon picture form to the next administration, but god DAMN do I not want to be the statistician that researches all that.