Edit: I also just got banned for apparently being a troll. Me. Not the person they believe to be a dragon though.
Why is it powertriping if you clearly broke the stated rules.
That’s like agreeing to a contract without any comolains and then complaining the contract is unfair if you break it.
Blahaj was never intended to be a free speech zone, it was intended to be the one place on the internet trans people feel safe, so they really don’t care what you think, it isn’t made for you.
As stated elsewhere here, most people would not interpret “Don’t question people’s gender identity” as “Don’t say dragons aren’t real or that people can’t be dragons”.
I disagree. It is a community for gender diverse folk and the rules are there to protect them. This is not about the dragon. It is about respecting someone’s identity. “Dragons aren’t real” in the context of someone identifying as a dragon is no different than a TERF telling a trans woman that trans women don’t exist. It it inherently questioning her identity, transphobic, and attacking her.
Can you see how that would be problematic? I think anyone surpise pikachu’ed by this should consider learning how to be a better ally instead of thinking they can say hurtful stuff.
I disagree.
As I said, ‘most people would not interpret’, and there is certainly a large number of people who quite clearly and vocally did not interpret the rule in the way that it has been clarified.
It it inherently questioning her identity,
Yes, in this case, because dragons are literally not real.
Questioning an identity that is at odds with reality is not a sin.
As i said, it’s not about drag. Regardless if you think drag is trolling, there are people who identity as fae/faerie. Are you going to tell them they don’t exist too?
As i said, it’s not about drag. Regardless if you think drag is trolling, there are people who identity as fae/faerie. Are you going to tell them they don’t exist too?
If they mean ‘faerie’ as in ‘literally one of the fae folk’? Yes, this is not much of a surprise to anyone past the age of kindergarten, but the fae folk aren’t real either. Holy shit.
Sounds good. Thanks for making it easy to know who to block
Sounds good. Thanks for making it easy to know who to block
Christ.
Imagine being such a jaded fuck that you can’t simply allow someone to identify how they so choose. Eat shit, PugJesus
What does it mean to identify as a fae? Do they literally think they’re a fae from folklore?
And to be clear, this is a genuine question.
I’m no authority to speak on this, but I can say (gender) identity and pronouns aren’t necessarily linked. Some people might lean into the fairy thing for their aesthetic or identity, others wouldn’t. Some might use fae/faer pronouns explicitly to break out of the gender binary / ternary, others might just find that these pronouns fit them. I hope someone with more knowledge on the matter could weigh on.
Not actively and unprompted, but since you’re asking: yes, fae aren’t real (and if we ever discover them hiding somewhere, I’ll happily apologise!).
And no, I’m not a transphobe or whatever label you’re gonna try and put on me. But obvious trolls baiting people into getting banned, because dragons aren’t real no matter how you “identify”, are not a good look for you.
Looks like you prefer trolls to people who actually care about trans issues, in which case: good luck with your communities!
Okay, time for me to throw my hat into the ring. Dogs/Puppies are real, are they not? I use pup/pup’s pronouns as my preferred pronouns. I identify strongly with canine-kind. For example, I have dysphoria about my lack of a tail.
Will you respect my pronouns?
BTW, Ada clarifying the rules made me feel comfortable changing my displayname to include my preferred pronouns, FWIW.
PJ somehow thinks they are better than everyone else, also hates people he doesn’t understand. News at 11.
God he’s just going mask off at full speed.
YDI.
The post clearly said “respect people’s pronouns, this rule will be enforced” and everyone getting mod action clearly states in response that they have read and understood the rules, but fully intend to break them.
There are absolutely ways to say “hey Ada, I think your judgement of this particular user is wrong and I am concerned about the damage drag does by engaging in trollish behavior” without also saying “but I plan to misgender people anyway.” The ones getting banned here fail on both counts.
They don’t use it as just a pronoun though, it’s inconsistent bullshit
All the more reason to just ignore. This is why OP deserves it for engaging.
IMO It’s just a false flag to enable arbitrary enforcement using subjective terminology
PugJesus is a transphobe, pass it on.
Now that everyone has had a chance to argue all day about this, I’m gonna lock this post so you can go touch grass.
I agree that Drag is a massive troll and that user has been banned from many instances over the past few months, including this one.
Maybe try leaving it up to the folks at blajah to decide what they want to be called and maybe just play along with it, even if you find it weird. “Normal” is so fucking boring anyway. If you really can’t cope with occasionally coming across an unusual pronoun and being asked to simply accept it without having a meltdown, you probably don’t belong on blajah anyway. Just move on.
The “gatekeeping” bans seem like a BPR to me given the context in which it was posted. Having said that, I don’t entirely understand the rationale for blajah’s rule, since the effect seems to be that you either need to be 100% behind fantasy neo-pronouns and identities (including drag? dragonfucker??) or cop a ban, but if that’s how they want things then that’s up to them. Not every space is for everyone, and diversity of communities and instances is mostly a good thing.
As far as our instance (dbzer0) goes, malicious/intentional misgendering of users is not permitted, similar to blajah. However, like others in this thread have argued, I agree that someone who literally identifies as a dragon fucker does not deserve to be taken seriously about anything, and it’s entirely reasonable to simply assume the choice of pronouns is just another form of trolling. The context and drag’s extensive mod history (along with previous alts) are important factors here too.
It’s also concerning to me that people are being attacked and reported for being “bigots” or “anti-trans” in the comments just because they have hesitations over what are effectively contentious edge cases involving neo-pronouns and an infamous troll. I know for a fact that many of the commenters in this thread are very supportive of trans people, trans rights and respecting a person’s chosen gender pronouns. They just have a problem with this particular dragon-fucker, not because Drag is trans, but because Drag is a narcissistic troll and a community wrecker who thrives on all the drama.
I’m leaving the comments intact for the record, but will add a CW below:
CW: possible misgendering in comments below, at least if you agree dragon fucker is a gender
Just to add to this. We don’t have problems with people identifying with fantasy races. Go be weird and whatnot. But there’s a line between what you identify as and with rubbing your kink in everyone’s faces constantly. So just to be clear out stance is not pro-disputing anyone’s identity and not respecting third-party person neopronouns. It about disputing whether your gender is being challenged because someone said “you”.
I suppose I should thank everyone in this comment section. I was initially feeling a little like I might have overreacted to an admin making a decision that no one in their right minds would actually defend when I sadposted on 196 about leaving, but seeing the wellspring of support for dragonfuckergender, I now feel comfortable in that leaving Blahaj is, indeed, the correct choice.
Good. Cya. Fuck yourself.
EDIT: BTW, wouldn’t surprise me if you stopped respecting trans folks too, since some of us were “mean” to you.
Whatever you have to tell yourself.
yeah, frankly anyone who says shit like this:
Sorry, I’ve already committed thoughtcrime by questioning whether dragons are real. This is the state of Blahaj, it would seem.
is already going out of their way to treat people poorly. given their past statements, it’s deffo you being the bigger person for even giving them the time of day at this point.
Bye, bigot. You’re not welcome anyway. You don’t get to question someone’s identity. Period. No matter what else they might have done, you do not get to question their identity.
I don’t see how it’s bigoted to be concerned with trolls whose behaviour actively harms the LGBTQ+ movement. There are tons of comments of that user that show they’re just trolling and engaging in disingenuous behaviour.
The right to identify as X or Y or whatever is not being questioned, the sincerity of this user specifically is being questioned. And that’s done because there’s a history of people claiming to identify as X/Y when they have no intention of doing so, and just doing it to drive people away from LGBTQ+ acceptance.
Gatekeeping support is not the answer here.
Bye, bigot. You’re not welcome anyway. You don’t get to question someone’s identity. Period. No matter what else they might have done, you do not get to question their identity.
It’s a fun axiom you have there. Shame it doesn’t make any sense. But hey, if you want to validate the old conservative ‘attack helicopter’ joke, I literally can’t stop you. And you can’t question anyone who identifies as such. Funny world.
If you suddenly said you identify as a bigot, they’d change their tune real quick.
You kinda just proved your opponents point 🤷
You can’t just label someone as a bigot unless they self identify as a bigot!
You absolutely did over react.
Not at all. Like I said, considering the reactions of Blahaj users in this thread, Blahaj quite clearly is not any place I want to remain active in.
Ah yes, they’re all crazy, where have we heard that line before? God forbid we treat people with the slightest bit of dignity.
Ah yes, they’re all crazy, where have we heard that line before? God forbid we treat people with the slightest bit of dignity.
Sorry, I’ve already committed thoughtcrime by questioning whether dragons are real. This is the state of Blahaj, it would seem.
You slated the thinking of an entire community centered around LGBTQ stuff, not the reality of Puff the Magic Dragon.
You slated the thinking of an entire community centered around LGBTQ stuff, not the reality of Puff the Magic Dragon.
So now we’re dealing with not only poor reading, but poor writing as well. Wonderful.
Ah yes, they’re all crazy, where have we heard that line before? God forbid we treat
peopleDRAGONS with the slightest bit of dignity.GET IT RIGHT YOU BIGOT
I invite you to check which instances “all those Blåhaj users” are actually from.
I invite you to check which instances “all those Blåhaj users” are actually from.
Copygirl - Blahaj
Erin - Blahaj
Catoblepas - Blahaj
Nimble - Blahaj
WeirdyTrip - Blahaj
Erotador - Blahaj
Any other stupid points you want disproven, or are we done here?
Here’s some non-Blåhaj users I’ve come across in this thread that are echoing a similar sentiment to me:
- Ma…@lemmy.world
- St…@lemmy.world
- sp…@lemmy.cafe
- Mo…@pawb.social
- Re…@lemmy.world
- yu…@pawb.social
- Al…@leminal.space
- ca...@lemm.ee
- la…@lemmy.world
- OB...@lemmy.ml
You’ve got plenty of non-Blåhaj opinions in this thread questioning a Blåhaj admin’s decision.
Not to mention Dragon Rider isn’t even from our instance. Take it up with lemmy.nz if you want drag’s account banned.
Take it up with lemmy.nz if you want drag’s account banned.
I’ve stated multiple times that drag isn’t the problem for me. I don’t even remember the last interaction I had with drag. The admin reaction is the problem.
So drag isn’t the problem, even though drag’s a “troll” whose identity does not deserve respect (as you’ve repeatedly made clear in this thread), and you’re pissed at the admin whose instance’s rules are to respect identities and pronouns even regardless of that (and then enforcing those rules), instead of the admin of the instance that’s hosting the supposed “troll” and enabling drag’s behavior across many instances…?
Tell me how that’s supposed to make sense. Or, actually, don’t. I’ve seen plenty of your kind show their true colors over the course of trying to get through to you. You’re just unable to deal with the fact that you got rightfully banned after breaking the rules, even after being told what the issue is multiple times. Grow up. Learn from your mistakes.
Just a heads up: PJ there’s opinion is almost always whatever stirs up the most shit while getting them approval. I’ve literally seen them contradict their self within a few minutes in different conversations with separate people. If you look up “bad faith” on Wikipedia, a screenshot of some of their conversations here is listed.
I’m joking for the last sentence, but don’t drive yourself crazy. They are the poster child for .world’s problematic shit stirring, weird crusading behavior. Conversing with them is a waste of your time.
PJ is worse than Drag ever was.
Don’t feel bad, PJ doesn’t have any room for anything other than worshipping Rome via memes in their brains.
Finally someone brave enough to say it!
A .world user is leaving an instance they’re not a member of and feels the need to tell us about their sacrifice! Such bravery!
They are in .world now because they left the other instance.
If only that was true. They had an account, they just never used it.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/pugjesus
You can delete your comments, but they’ll still show as “deleted by creator”. Like most of PJ’s drama, it’s just bullshit to stir shit and get attention.
I posted on Blahaj previously with this account. I’m ceasing to do so.
I just tested this twice. One in a reply to myself and one in a reply to you. Both comments are deleted and are labeled as such in this post; however, they are fully removed on my profile page. Therefore, I don’t think you are correct.
It’s your client filtering them out. You’ll see the below screenshot result in a browser.
https://sh.itjust.works/u/aldente
Interesting. Though, I guess my client would filter out anything in that pugjesus link then too. I tried pasting it into my browser but it won’t show my anything without logging in. I guess it either won’t accept my sh.itjust.works credentials, or I got my password wrong too many times, because it’s giving me a “too many requests, try again later” message.
Also interesting! I didn’t have to log in on my browser, the big box is just about logging in to save them as a favorite. They have no activity history so everything is blank, thusly.
And that’s more then enough PJ for the year.
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
That’s what that post was about? The dragon fucker dude? I blocked him within a week of him existing because he was such an annoying person. I’m as much of a furry as any other socially maladjusted child raised by the internet but have some self control, dude.
drag is an asshole and I’m not exactly jumping in to help drag. But I do respect identities and pronouns and that’s exactly what the admins were enforcing here. You don’t have to agree.
And you may think it’s silly but people will do shit like misgender/ridicule Musk by calling him a woman’s name or using she/her when describing him because he’s transphobic. When you treat identity as something that can be taken away or called absurd and ignored, you’re perpetuating the same shit trans people like myself are trying to avoid or change.
Anyway, the rules are clearly stated and enforced around identity. YDI
When some users’ sexual identities are as dragons, “dragons aren’t real” is a lot like “all lives matter”: on the surface, a statement of fact so obvious and controversial that it doesn’t bear saying, except for the subtext, which is an attack.
Not gonna join the war, but I heard some other comment compare saying you sexually identify as dragon is akin to saying you sexually identify as an attack helicopter, originally intended as a mockery to lgbt group.
Except one is a well known transphobic line and the other is someone genuinely trying to be identified as such. If drag was laughing about it outside blahaj I would question it but that’s not something I’ve seen. Just good faith attempts to get people to use the right pronouns.
When some users’ sexual identities are as dragons, “dragons aren’t real” is a lot like “all lives matter”: on the surface, a statement of fact so obvious and controversial that it doesn’t bear saying, except for the subtext, which is an attack.
Jesus fucking Christ.
But dragons aren’t real.
Neither is the social construct of men and women.
So there is no patriarchy?
Wakanda is not a made-up country in the same sense that ‘all countries are made up.’ Despite what the internet might tell you: women are real. Godzilla is not.
And if someone has globally unique labels that only refer to them, that’s not what a fucking pronoun is. That’s just… a noun.
It’d be one thing if this admin said, ‘because this is a hard line to draw, we’re not going to, just roll with it.’ But no: some extreme cases are promoted as obvious and unquestionable, to include emojis as pronouns, and - literally and unironically - “I sexually identify as an attack helicopter.” That is among this admin’s chosen positive examples.
It’d be one thing if questioning this do-it-or-else policy was limited to meta threads. But no: this is an admin thread, in their meta community, specifically about how this rule is contentious. It is not the first such thread. It is not even the first such thread specifically about a user everyone agrees is kind of a douche. Previously, the user in charge of Liberty Hub was removed and punished for not capitalizing some known dingus’s pronouns, in the ban message.
It’d be one thing if any of this was limited, in any way. But no: it’s every community, forever.
For responses walking on eggshells, trying to convey - maybe there’s a reason this remains an issue. Maybe gender being a spectrum and a construct doesn’t get everyone on-board with erasing comments for not calling someone a unicorn. Again: actual example, presented without irony.
Being told you’re not allowed to address someone as “you” is a big fuckin’ ask, in English. Being told you’re not allowed to treat someone as human is just bewildering. But even that, you could get away with pushing, if your push was not straight off a cliff.
ShitJustWorks feels like the only instance that learned anything from reddit. Short bans change people’s behavior. Long bans change people’s… usernames.
Short bans change people’s behavior. Long bans change people’s… usernames.
That’s a great quote!
You didn’t get banned for saying dragons aren’t real, you got banned for rejecting their identity. YDI.
Their identity isn’t a dragon. Like they might identify as a dragon but thats a very different thing from sexuality or being trans. And I’m not gonna start calling them a dragon because of it.
Their identity is someone who “rides” dragons. Nobody ever said anything about sexuality or gender identity.
You don’t have to respect that, but if you walk into a community that says “we will ban you if you disrespect anyone’s identity” you don’t get to act like you’re the victim when that happens.
Ey. I wanna be a dragon too at times. If someone feels like being one full time, then as long as they don’t commit crimes, let them.
Pioneers come in all shapes and sizes, for better or for worse.
Blahaj.zone is a fucking disaster. I don’t remember any user accounts from that place who comment with any sort of sanity. It’s like the lemmygrad of the LBGTQIA+.
I wish instance blocks would block also all the users from that instance.
Blahaj.zone is a fucking disaster. I don’t remember any user accounts from that place who comment with any sort of sanity. It’s like the lemmygrad of the LBGTQIA+.
Tankies who enable Stalin worship = Wanting to be properly addressed now?
Did the first post about this not go well enough for the transphobes? You had to try again?
It’s really fuckin easy, if someone says, “these are my pronouns”, you use them.
Happy to call someone a real pronoun. He/him she/her they and any combination of those.
I will no call someone a dragon. Nor will I call them anything else like that.
Good for you being the arbitrator of what is acceptable for how other people live their lives. That’s sure a big responsibility! Running with your example, I’m now using the only two pronouns I feel comfortable using for people like you: gobshite/broomstick.
Gobshite and broomstick are names. You can call me them if you’d like, but that’s not my name.
Look at broomstick over here. Gobshite actually thinks that language rules are immutable instead of a consensus amongst users! Gobshite is silly and clearly lacks any linguistics knowledge, but the most ignorant are often the most confident.
Yeah. Look at that broomstick!!
No one know who you are talking about because those names aren’t referring to anyone specifically.
I’ve try though. High five.
Gobshite is silly and clearly lacks any linguistics knowledge, but the most ignorant are often the most confident.
Shouldn’t that be “Gobshite are silly and clearly lack any linguistics knowledge”?
It’s really up to broomstick, but gobshite already gave us carte blanche to use our personal pronoun preferences on others. I’m going to say it’s at the user’s discretion.
I do appreciate the entertainment.
These comments are making my point better than I could.
Thanks for the support.
Running with your example, I’m now using the only two pronouns I feel comfortable using for people like you: gobshite/broomstick.
Fun fact, this behavior is exactly what the Blahaj post was about, as a bannable offense.
The pronoun in question is Drag. You’re thinking about the name, which is no more ridiculous than Richard.
Drag is a name. If that’s what someone wants to be called, that’s fine but it isn’t a pronoun.
Accepting literally anything means the attack helicopter meme should be taken seriously.
Some drunk dude with a blue lives punisher tattoo calling themselves something and laughing obviously isn’t in good faith. No matter what words they choose.
Should I still use the pronouns they want me to? Or are they an exception?
Considering the actual pronoun in question is “drag”, yes.
The drag poster who is the troll that started the whole thing literally posted a meme about being accepting of the attack helicopter meme in that thread!
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20091173/12155139
That post contains this image:
And?
So you do want someone to be the arbiter of what is acceptable for how someone lives their lives… you just want it to coincide with your thoughts on the matter.
How do you even get to that from saying we should call people what they want to be called? You keep trying to make this about some kind of imposition on you but it’s really not.
I mean, a troll came in and said drag should be a pronoun. You gleefully picked up the torch and started arguing it for them, it kinda feels like you were looking for an excuse to argue this.
Prove it.
Today I learned that speaking only in third person is a pronoun, and that telling depresed trans people to die in a not-yet-happening war as an alternative to dying from depression is perfectly fine, actually. As long as you’re totally not trolling, it’s all good!
I feel enlightened, and touchable grass is but a distant memory.
this community is getting really gross.
I think it’s the mismatch between Reddit and Lemmy. Yeah the mods screw up sometimes but it’s nowhere near the quantity of Reddit. So they’re trying to bring any ban into this community, even tiny cooling off period ones.
come on blahaj, yall are better than this.
Dragonfucker has multiple times said that if you’re feeling suicidal, then you should instead get a gun and start shooting Trump supporters.
If you’re planning on killing yourself, go buy a gun and take a red hat with you. Drag is serious. Get out if you can. Move to another country. But if you’re actually hopeless, and there’s nothing anyone can say to dissuade you… Then make it count.
https://lemmy.nz/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=12587481
I thought originally that this was a big non-issue and only relevant because of the bans. This user is, it turns out, actively endangering trans people’s lives by what they like to post on Lemmy. The people who are getting suckered into supporting them in their whole shtick, thinking they’re modeling what it means to be an ally to a fellow trans person, need to wise the fuck up.
Inb4 “as a non-trans person you don’t have the right to say that.” I’ve talked with more than a few suicidal people during some variety of crisis. If you support the user that creates that type of posting, because the user in question is using pronouns, wake the fuck up.
also also, dufuq is this comment section? People need to chill out.
Lol this dingus is going to effectively defederate blaja by getting everyone banned
I’m still not sure if drag is a troll. They’re definitely attention seeking though.
