• Possibly linux@lemmy.zip
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    9 months ago

    Is it really that bad? Sure it might be linked to cancer but so are lots of other things.

    I personally just use normal cookware plus some vision stuff. All you need to do is salute some onions ahead of adding other things. The juice from the onions acts as a natural non stick.

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        9 months ago

        It’s not just the use itself, but also how irresponsibly it is produced. Exposing pregnant workers to high levels, dumping it in community water supplies, on farmland etc.

        Also the EU did ban them last september (effective in 2026) for essentially all of the uses you outlined, most of which I dont think are such a big deal and just minor inconveniences. It’s not like the 60s were terrible in terms of living conditions.

        We also used to use asbestos for a lot of the uses you outlined and we got rid of that without too much inconvenience, but you could have made similar arguments about it back then.

        And any reduction is a good thing, it’s not an all or nothing thing. DDT was banned, but can and is still used where there’s no better alternative. And just categorically saying any alternative must be just as bad is just a non-sequitur, there’s no reason that should be true. Cookware is a good example, cast iron works just as well, is not as bad, the only downside compared to teflon is weight. But it’s not like sending us back to the stone age or anything…

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        9 months ago

        It’s in the rain and every freshwater fish or lake water has it, such that even once per year fish consumption is not recommended. Safe level is 4.4ng per kg body weight/week. 300ng for adult male. Half kilo of fish will be 4800ng. Technically that is 3 fish portions per year, but you will get enough smaller amounts every day to breech limit with freshwater fish.

        You have a point that it may still be needed for some stuff.

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      9 months ago

      Can’t even use a Teflon pan if you have a budgie or the fumes will kill it.

      So I think it is probably quite bad.

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      9 months ago

      This article is horrible. Anyway…

      Teflon has a melting point of 327°C, that can happen on a stove.

      IMO It’s fine, just don’t burn your pan. Not sure about scratching it, but don’t do that either.

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        9 months ago

        I’m not sure you need to melt it for the PFAS to leech out. There was a study recently about smart watch bands and they found that the PFAS exposure from wearing them was way above safe limits and they weren’t being heated to 327C.

        Admittedly frypan coatings and watch bands are not the same materials, but still…

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        9 months ago

        So, just don’t do the two things that happen to every non-stick pan ever. Gotcha.

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          9 months ago

          Yeah has no one seen the horror show that is the used pan section of a thrift store? More flaking than a millennial get-together.

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        9 months ago

        using a pan means you have to construct that pan, in a factory that pollutes massive amount of PFAS directly into the soil and water table.

    • megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      9 months ago

      It’s perfectly fine so long as none of the coating gets in your body, but given you’re making food with it, there’s a high chance it will.

      If it get’s too hot it will off gas, if it gets scratched with something harder than it (like a metal spatula, or salt grains) it will flake off. So you should use plastic or wood utensils when cooking in one, and the black plastic utensils have their own issues with often being made from recycled plastics that have fire retardants mixed in, which can leach out.

      You can be safe with them but it requires you be careful and deliberate with use. Personally, I think it’s easier just to use something else, even if that means taking the time to learn about how to use them well.