The .ml policy against bigotry --including parroting western anti-chinese propaganda, that liberals throw ad nauseam there-- has been a consistent policy over time of that instance.
but, it’s not propaganda, it proven facts… there are photos and leaked surveillance videos, it’s very real.
it’s not “bigotry”, which is such a laughable claim… i love chinese people and DON’T want them to suffer… it’s the absolute opposite of bigotry
But, by example, if l (a .ml and lemmyngrad user) go to a Ukrainian instance with a pro-western narrative to tell that they are backing and are backed by fascism, as other hundreds others had done before, I would deserve a ban.
I mean, during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out, funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east, enacted economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world, overturned a law that granted access to abortions… I could continue, but I think that’s enough to consider the USA fascist already.
Russian propaganda as reported by… Oh, the Washington Post?
How ironic that the mod in yepowertripping mods is deleting absolutely true statements confirmed for years by trusted news sources that the mod doesn’t like.
Problem is, extremists make good fighters. It’s a sad truth of war that there are never any moderate rebels.
There are a whole bunch more for anyone that cares to look.
The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
EDIT: db0, you literally deleted a comment that is true, verifiable, verified by legitimate news sources, and an issue for your current view of the war.
I can’t think of a better description of power tripping. Why should anyone trust you as a
moderator of this community?
I’m gonna talk plainly here. That comment was reported as misinformation by another user and I took action on it. I get that you qualified your remark, but it seemed to me the intent was still to paint the Ukraine war as being about Nazism vs Communism which is total tankie bullshit imo. It absolutely is a widely reported Russian propaganda talking point which I’ve posted a lot about previously on !fediverse_vs_disinfo@lemmy.dbzer0.com. I appreciate that you have a different take on this topic, but in our view this community is not the place to discuss geopolitics, as db0 mentioned.
I also think there may be some cultural differences between our instances you don’t seem to understand. We don’t subscribe to the ML “critical support” ethos on this instance. Every authoritarian state can be freely criticized here, including the so-called socialist ones, and including western countries. If you are posting off topic in support of authoritarian actions on an Anarchist instance (i.e., Russia’s invasion of Ukraine) then you can (I think reasonably??) expect to be reported and for our admins/mods to take appropriate actions, as in this case where I simply removed this one comment.
I also have a question about double standards here. The slightest criticism of China or Russia is routinely removed on your home instance and you seem to have no problem with that policy. Yet you seem to think that other instances moderating consistent with their own political ideology and instance rules is the very description of power tripping? It just doesn’t seem like you have thought this through tbh.
First of all, it wasn’t me. Second of all, this is out of topic for this comm and we routinelly remove off-topic comments. Stick to discussing whether it’s PTB or not, not geopolitics.
I’m leaving the rest of this topic up for now, but it should end here.
My apologies. I missed that Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a mod as well.
Actually reading over the modlog, and forgive me if I’m not doing it right, it appears that Unruffled was only appointed as a mod 7 hours ago. My comment was removed 2 days ago, and to my reading, that makes you the only mod.
Furthermore, the reason for the removed comment on the comment log was this:
reason: Russian propaganda talking points painting Ukraine as nazis.
Which is not stating that the comment was removed for politics. But rather that provably true facts, as reported by the Washington Post which I’ve included links to, are in fact nothing more than Russian Propaganda.
Which seems pretty questionable to me. If politics and out of topic comments are the rule, fine. Those are the rules, but this doesn’t seem like that. This seems like a mod, whomever it was, removing factual information that they didn’t like selectively. Which seems like the definition of powertripping.
P.S. To be clear, I didn’t downvote (not that it matters) your response. I do appreciate that you responded.
EDIT: FYI I’m using a browser that messes with the timezone for anti-tracking purposes. The gross time I included above may not be accurate, but the relative time between the two events should be.
Actually reading over the modlog, and forgive me if I’m not doing it right, it appears that Unruffled was only appointed as a mod 7 hours ago. My comment was removed 2 days ago, and to my reading, that makes you the only mod.
Unruffled is also an admin. They used their admin privileges to do that. I added them as a mod to avoid this sort of confusion in the future. You can ask them yourself if you want.
Which seems pretty questionable to me. If politics and out of topic comments are the rule, fine. Those are the rules, but this doesn’t seem like that. This seems like a mod, whomever it was, removing factual information that they didn’t like selectively. Which seems like the definition of powertripping.
We’re not here to discuss politics. Stick to the point of the comm, which is to decide whether someone is a PTB or not. I have plenty to counter with, but I don’t because this is not the place to discuss geopolitics.
YDI.
The .ml policy against bigotry --including parroting western anti-chinese propaganda, that liberals throw ad nauseam there-- has been a consistent policy over time of that instance.
seeing that you’re from lemmy.ml, stfu….
but, it’s not propaganda, it proven facts… there are photos and leaked surveillance videos, it’s very real.
it’s not “bigotry”, which is such a laughable claim… i love chinese people and DON’T want them to suffer… it’s the absolute opposite of bigotry
I strongly disagree.
But, by example, if l (a .ml and lemmyngrad user) go to a Ukrainian instance with a pro-western narrative to tell that they are backing and are backed by fascism, as other hundreds others had done before, I would deserve a ban.
You mean the US? The US isn’t fascist. We’ve still got about 48 hours before that.
I mean, during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out, funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east, enacted economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world, overturned a law that granted access to abortions… I could continue, but I think that’s enough to consider the USA fascist already.
Not really, the infamous “wall” is, at most, a handful of sections
Fair, however, it will absolutely accelerate under Drump unlike Harris who would have at most kept the status quo as it has been for decades
Sanctions against places like Russia, hardly a “socialist movement haven”
It was not a law, it was a supreme court ruling that was overturned. Had it been a law, it would in all likelihood be still in effect
Removed by mod
Russian propaganda as reported by… Oh, the Washington Post?
How ironic that the mod in yepowertripping mods is deleting absolutely true statements confirmed for years by trusted news sources that the mod doesn’t like.
Problem is, extremists make good fighters. It’s a sad truth of war that there are never any moderate rebels.
Here are the links to the truth you don’t like:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/06/ukraine-military-right-wing-militias/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html
There are a whole bunch more for anyone that cares to look.
The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
EDIT: db0, you literally deleted a comment that is true, verifiable, verified by legitimate news sources, and an issue for your current view of the war.
I can’t think of a better description of power tripping. Why should anyone trust you as a moderator of this community?
FYI we have a matrix room for discussing mod actions here now which may be a better venue for this discussion: https://lemmyverse.link/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35953536
I’m gonna talk plainly here. That comment was reported as misinformation by another user and I took action on it. I get that you qualified your remark, but it seemed to me the intent was still to paint the Ukraine war as being about Nazism vs Communism which is total tankie bullshit imo. It absolutely is a widely reported Russian propaganda talking point which I’ve posted a lot about previously on !fediverse_vs_disinfo@lemmy.dbzer0.com. I appreciate that you have a different take on this topic, but in our view this community is not the place to discuss geopolitics, as db0 mentioned.
I also think there may be some cultural differences between our instances you don’t seem to understand. We don’t subscribe to the ML “critical support” ethos on this instance. Every authoritarian state can be freely criticized here, including the so-called socialist ones, and including western countries. If you are posting off topic in support of authoritarian actions on an Anarchist instance (i.e., Russia’s invasion of Ukraine) then you can (I think reasonably??) expect to be reported and for our admins/mods to take appropriate actions, as in this case where I simply removed this one comment.
I also have a question about double standards here. The slightest criticism of China or Russia is routinely removed on your home instance and you seem to have no problem with that policy. Yet you seem to think that other instances moderating consistent with their own political ideology and instance rules is the very description of power tripping? It just doesn’t seem like you have thought this through tbh.
First of all, it wasn’t me. Second of all, this is out of topic for this comm and we routinelly remove off-topic comments. Stick to discussing whether it’s PTB or not, not geopolitics.
I’m leaving the rest of this topic up for now, but it should end here.
My apologies. I missed that Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a mod as well.
Actually reading over the modlog, and forgive me if I’m not doing it right, it appears that Unruffled was only appointed as a mod 7 hours ago. My comment was removed 2 days ago, and to my reading, that makes you the only mod.
Furthermore, the reason for the removed comment on the comment log was this:
reason: Russian propaganda talking points painting Ukraine as nazis.Which is not stating that the comment was removed for politics. But rather that provably true facts, as reported by the Washington Post which I’ve included links to, are in fact nothing more than Russian Propaganda.
Which seems pretty questionable to me. If politics and out of topic comments are the rule, fine. Those are the rules, but this doesn’t seem like that. This seems like a mod, whomever it was, removing factual information that they didn’t like selectively. Which seems like the definition of powertripping.
P.S. To be clear, I didn’t downvote (not that it matters) your response. I do appreciate that you responded.
EDIT: FYI I’m using a browser that messes with the timezone for anti-tracking purposes. The gross time I included above may not be accurate, but the relative time between the two events should be.
Unruffled is also an admin. They used their admin privileges to do that. I added them as a mod to avoid this sort of confusion in the future. You can ask them yourself if you want.
We’re not here to discuss politics. Stick to the point of the comm, which is to decide whether someone is a PTB or not. I have plenty to counter with, but I don’t because this is not the place to discuss geopolitics.
With reality?
false equivalence
Removed by mod
Citation needed.
Edit: also, no they didn’t. Read the very first paragraph from their own 2023 report:
https://www.state.gov/reports/2023-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/china/
You said it, not me.
@holo@lemmy.wtf has been real quiet ever since this dropped ong ong 💯
By definition
Sounds like .ml are the biggest bigots around