• Dasus@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 小时前

      because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour

      So that’s what China is, according to you.

      “Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”

      But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?

      The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.

      I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t.

    • Zement@feddit.nl
      5·
      10 小时前

      It’s not about the suicide nets as I understand the post…, but your answer would be fitting to the poster.

      The removal of such talking points is strange, especially because similar points are not removed when critical of Western stuff…

      That shouts propaganda

      Edit: I just realized, that’s the Meme sub,… political discussions there (critical of the CCP, even when the meme itself is political, get banned)

    • Dasus@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 小时前

      because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour

      So that’s what China is, according to you.

      “Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”

      But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?

      The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.

      I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t.

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          6·
          11 小时前

          Well, that apple and foxcon are allowed to harass people until they kill themself is an issue of the state they are doing it in. If China would care about its people it would not allow companies to treat them like they do.

          OP is writing, that no hard questions were asked, like all the questions China wants the world to forget about.

            • Dasus@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 小时前

              because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour

              So that’s what China is, according to you.

              “Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”

              But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?

              The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.

              I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t. Nananananannana

            • Petter1@lemm.ee
              5·
              10 小时前

              But China encourages those foreign companies (including german VW for example) to produce in China and encourage them to exploit Chinese workers. I see the problem at China not protecting their people but sell them off to big companies.

              And that is what some call communism… 🤦🏻

  • butternuts@lemm.ee
    5·
    22 小时前

    Does anyone know what rule 4 is? I was banned from an ml community for that very rule a couple of days ago but have not made a comment anywhere on Lemmy for 9 months.

    My current guess - I upvoted/downvoted the wrong person as that’s about all I do on Lemmy.

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      10·
      21 小时前

      i forgot but you didn’t actually break that rule, probably….
      something i’ve learned from talking to real life leftists is: all very left online spaces, and i mean all, have been completely fucked over by shills.
      often just completely controlled by them.
      i just got permabanned from lost generation on reddit for absolutely not breaking the rules… they cited a rule, i asked how, then they just muted me from messaging the mods with a message just listing the rules, all of which i agree with….
      it sucks but it’s been this way a very long time….
      basically just cointelpro continuing.
      my guess is you were too genuine and reasonable, so they fuck with you to make you think this is what the left is like, then hopefully you’ll give up and become a capitalist.

  • gmtom@lemmy.world
    17·
    1 天前

    I recently got a ban on .ml for saying that the IS banning people from flying because they called in a bomb threat on an plane is not the same as China banning you from flying because you critisised the government.

    • mkwt@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 小时前

      Rule 1 on .ml is “no racism.” In this post, it appears to be “racist” against Chinese. At least from some kind of a point of view.

      • Dasus@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 小时前

        They also use “racism” as an excuse if you say Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine.

        @Davel@lemmy.ml , lemmy.ml mod who larps an American but is a Russian fucking hates it

      • Amon@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 小时前

        No, it is against China, not Chinese people.

        “Chinese” is a heavily loaded term, containing nationality, ethnicity, culture and language. In this case it is criticising China the nation, not Chinese people in any sense.

        It is racist to link China the nation to Chinese people, because many people who are ethnically Chinese do not associate with China.

        I know I am about to be downvoted heavily by tankies but just remember that .ml are hypocrites.

  • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
    27·
    2 天前

    These threads are great because they are nice tankie block attractors. They can’t help themselves from commenting on their non tank-3 accounts.

  • Telorand@reddthat.com
    47·
    2 天前

    Man, your post has really brought out the CCP shills. It’s fascinating to watch people go, “Nuh-uh! China doesn’t do any of that!”

    • __nobodynowhere@startrek.websiteEnglish
      16·
      2 天前

      I learned a dozen countries are all in on a conspiracy theory in which they pretended China had operated overseas police stations in their respective countries. Fake news!

  • SoftTeeth@lemmy.world
    19·
    2 天前

    I got banned there last week for saying that lemmy mods are just as pathetic and banhappy as reddit mods

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      13·
      2 天前

      in my experience, they’re a lot worse….
      stuff that would get a comment removed or a note from the mod to chill just gets you an instant permaban here…
      and they’ll ban you for the dumbest shit too… simply discussing china’s human rights abuses that are well documented and publicized is “racism against chinese people” or some dumb shit….
      luckily it’s just the hard hard leftists… the places that are all shills anyway (like he-x-b34r)
      (i just spelled that dumb so it’s harder to search).

      • SoftTeeth@lemmy.world
        14·
        2 天前

        I’ve noticed mods of some instances will lurk and ban users for comments that weren’t even on their instance.

        Some of the mods on blahaj do that while using fake user accounts to sow approval.

        It’s insane what patheticly small amount of power internet janitors will manage to trip on

        • tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 天前

          Don’t start with Bahaj, I remember a post some time ago where I saw lots of removed comments so out of curiosity I went through the modlog. People were being banned and comments removed for literally nothing (like, not a slur or x-phobia or anything, just a discussion about OPs topic), ban reasons for example were “you’re not the victim” lol. When I pointed it out in that thread, my comment got removed as well (but I graciously was allowed to not have my account banned). Of course you don’t want to have instagram-esque comments in Lemmy but power tripping mods still suck and the modlog is kinda useless if you cannot revoke decisions

  • redrum@lemmy.ml
    22·
    2 天前

    YDI.

    The .ml policy against bigotry --including parroting western anti-chinese propaganda, that liberals throw ad nauseam there-- has been a consistent policy over time of that instance.

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      36·
      2 天前

      seeing that you’re from lemmy.ml, stfu….

      but, it’s not propaganda, it proven facts… there are photos and leaked surveillance videos, it’s very real.
      it’s not “bigotry”, which is such a laughable claim… i love chinese people and DON’T want them to suffer… it’s the absolute opposite of bigotry

      • redrum@lemmy.ml
        10·
        2 天前

        I strongly disagree.

        But, by example, if l (a .ml and lemmyngrad user) go to a Ukrainian instance with a pro-western narrative to tell that they are backing and are backed by fascism, as other hundreds others had done before, I would deserve a ban.

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          21·
          2 天前

          You mean the US? The US isn’t fascist. We’ve still got about 48 hours before that.

          • Pili@lemmy.ml
            10·
            2 天前

            I mean, during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out, funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east, enacted economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world, overturned a law that granted access to abortions… I could continue, but I think that’s enough to consider the USA fascist already.

            • cm0002@lemmy.world
              15·
              2 天前

              during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out

              Not really, the infamous “wall” is, at most, a handful of sections

              funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east

              Fair, however, it will absolutely accelerate under Drump unlike Harris who would have at most kept the status quo as it has been for decades

              economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world,

              Sanctions against places like Russia, hardly a “socialist movement haven”

              overturned a law that granted access to abortions

              It was not a law, it was a supreme court ruling that was overturned. Had it been a law, it would in all likelihood be still in effect

            • Count042@lemmy.mlEnglish
              4·
              1 天前

              Russian propaganda as reported by… Oh, the Washington Post?

              How ironic that the mod in yepowertripping mods is deleting absolutely true statements confirmed for years by trusted news sources that the mod doesn’t like.

              Problem is, extremists make good fighters. It’s a sad truth of war that there are never any moderate rebels.

              Here are the links to the truth you don’t like:

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/06/ukraine-military-right-wing-militias/

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

              There are a whole bunch more for anyone that cares to look.

              The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

              EDIT: db0, you literally deleted a comment that is true, verifiable, verified by legitimate news sources, and an issue for your current view of the war.

              I can’t think of a better description of power tripping. Why should anyone trust you as a moderator of this community?

              • Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
                1·
                3 小时前

                FYI we have a matrix room for discussing mod actions here now which may be a better venue for this discussion: https://lemmyverse.link/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35953536

                I’m gonna talk plainly here. That comment was reported as misinformation by another user and I took action on it. I get that you qualified your remark, but it seemed to me the intent was still to paint the Ukraine war as being about Nazism vs Communism which is total tankie bullshit imo. It absolutely is a widely reported Russian propaganda talking point which I’ve posted a lot about previously on !fediverse_vs_disinfo@lemmy.dbzer0.com. I appreciate that you have a different take on this topic, but in our view this community is not the place to discuss geopolitics, as db0 mentioned.

                I also think there may be some cultural differences between our instances you don’t seem to understand. We don’t subscribe to the ML “critical support” ethos on this instance. Every authoritarian state can be freely criticized here, including the so-called socialist ones, and including western countries. If you are posting off topic in support of authoritarian actions on an Anarchist instance (i.e., Russia’s invasion of Ukraine) then you can (I think reasonably??) expect to be reported and for our admins/mods to take appropriate actions, as in this case where I simply removed this one comment.

                I also have a question about double standards here. The slightest criticism of China or Russia is routinely removed on your home instance and you seem to have no problem with that policy. Yet you seem to think that other instances moderating consistent with their own political ideology and instance rules is the very description of power tripping? It just doesn’t seem like you have thought this through tbh.

              • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
                3·
                11 小时前

                First of all, it wasn’t me. Second of all, this is out of topic for this comm and we routinelly remove off-topic comments. Stick to discussing whether it’s PTB or not, not geopolitics.

                I’m leaving the rest of this topic up for now, but it should end here.

                • Count042@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  1·
                  4 小时前

                  My apologies. I missed that Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a mod as well.

                  Actually reading over the modlog, and forgive me if I’m not doing it right, it appears that Unruffled was only appointed as a mod 7 hours ago. My comment was removed 2 days ago, and to my reading, that makes you the only mod.

                  Furthermore, the reason for the removed comment on the comment log was this:

                  reason: Russian propaganda talking points painting Ukraine as nazis.

                  Which is not stating that the comment was removed for politics. But rather that provably true facts, as reported by the Washington Post which I’ve included links to, are in fact nothing more than Russian Propaganda.

                  Which seems pretty questionable to me. If politics and out of topic comments are the rule, fine. Those are the rules, but this doesn’t seem like that. This seems like a mod, whomever it was, removing factual information that they didn’t like selectively. Which seems like the definition of powertripping.

                  P.S. To be clear, I didn’t downvote (not that it matters) your response. I do appreciate that you responded.

                  EDIT: FYI I’m using a browser that messes with the timezone for anti-tracking purposes. The gross time I included above may not be accurate, but the relative time between the two events should be.

      • ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.comEnglish
        6·
        2 天前

        Spreading racist arguments doesn’t help either. Many of the above statements are proven CIA propaganda. Not all but many. I thought lemmy was supposed to have critical thinking? It’s sad to just attack.

        • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
          8·
          1 天前

          “Proven CIA propaganda” proven… how? Where? Seriously, we’re all genuinely eager for any evidence that these horrifyingly evil crimes against humanity are just the CIA successfully waging a propaganda war instead of… you know, what they usually do. Fuck around incompetently, fail completely, then take credit for any shit that happens so people think they’re actually these great masterminds.

  • ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    18·
    2 天前

    Lol, I got a similar removal and ban (rule 1, 2*) the other day for replying to someone who mentioned credit ratings as a counterpoint to the attempts to discredit the existence of “social credits” (or whatever actual system exists in China, and it does exist, to keep tabs on their population):

    This right here.

    And the point is that an average American barely knows how those work, or exactly what information the government and or private financial and other companies collect about them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply), in the same way the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).

    This post is such tankie bullshit.

    Pretending like only one government does (internal and external) propaganda, or only one government is oppressing and lying to its own people (not to mention people in other countries), or that the average person in any country know, or is willing to admit to themselves, never mind others, and especially never mind people from a country you’ve been propagandised against from birth, the flaws of their own government is not only laughable, and hypocritical, but also massively counterproductive.

    *as you can see, the ban is really for calling OP “tankie bullshit” and *gasp* pointing out that China is bad in the same ways America is bad. Such fragile egos lmfao

  • zante@slrpnk.netEnglish
    15·
    2 天前

    YDI

    Tankie is a lazy political slur so your are engaging in bad faith.