President Donald Trump plans to pull about 20,000 U.S. troops from Europe, according to a leading Italian news agency.

A European diplomatic source told ANSA that Trump, who entered office on Monday for a second term, wants to reduce the American contingent in Europe by about 20 percent and plans to ask for a “financial contribution” for the maintenance of the remaining troops.

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    Look, learn the basics of realpolitik, then come back. I’m not defending Trump, I’m explaining why he does what he does. A lot of people don’t understand what dry analysis is especially in realpolitik. I linked an article from an esteemed site explaining Trump’s motivation so that’s a start.

    Is what Trump doing stupid? Sure. But for him it’s not with respect to his nativist, nationalistic agenda. He’s going back to old school imperialism and unilateralism of a more powerful imperialistic nation state. People said the same of Hitler as being stupid, but no one can’t doubt he had been influential. In spite of losing the attempted coup, Hitler had been able to use the political system to gain power after all, and enact his own vision of ultra nationalism and shape the world to his liking. Still sounds dumb, does it? It’s the same with Trump. And again, Trump is the one in charge, not you nor I, so he’s not dumb in his own right.

    Keep underestimating the opponent, and you’re the one who will actually lose. A lot of people underestimated Hitler and his partner Mussolini and look what happened. You can imagine what Trump must be saying to us now that he’s back again in power.

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      Dude Realpolitik is not about ignoring effects getting rid of all your allies has, making yourself a pariah. That’s not dry analysis it is, as you correctly point out, stupidity.

      If you had invoked geopolitical “realism” (as they call it) you would have a point: Because that stuff is inherently stupid. But it’s also not Realpolitik, which does not actually eschew ethics, it just has its own particular branch (Verantwortungsethik), prioritising ethical means over ethical ends.

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        We’re still falling into the pitfalls of not understanding the other side. Trump is running on nativist agenda. He doesn’t necessarily care about maintaining allies for the United States. If he does, it’s about alliance of convenience.

        And since he’s running on nativist agenda, he is doing so because he knows that many Americans are tired of globalisation and internationalism. The outsourcing made people lose jobs without alternatives being offered. Endless foreign interventions motivated by corporate greed under the guise of human rights protection. That’s what the people want to be addressed and that’s Trump’s policies are based from. His platform did not come out of the vacuum and the people simply ate it up. He knows where the wind is heading and used it to sail to his advantage while the rest wants to remain on the previous course (i.e. the status quo). Who is the smart and dumb one? The smart one is certainly the one who’s in charge now and steering the rudder. There is nothing wrong giving credit to where it’s due but people are afraid to acknowledge the truth; which what made them lose.

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          Who is the smart and dumb one? The smart one is certainly the one who’s in charge now and steering the rudder.

          Nah. He’s the less stupid one. Liberals within the Democratic party backstabbing Bernie and gaslighting the people about the people’s own economical woes are the real stupid ones, the reason slightly less stupid could win.

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            I agree to an extent. But you’re assuming that Democrats do not know what they’re doing. The know exactly what they’re doing and that is to appease the same rich donors who support the Republicans. That’s why the current Democrat leadership is not going to be progressive because they still want to make money from stocks and receiving corporate donations. From the outside, what the liberal Democrats are doing is dumb, but if you know precisely what they’re intentions are, it’s smart from their own point of view.