But I always think the libertarian “just legalise all the drugs” is just odd.
Regulated? So you mean preventing people from taking really stupid shit? Sounds great sign me up lol
People gotta accept there are trade-offs to living in a society, and one of those is that there’s a limit to which we allow each other to get high. Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
You wanna take shit like meth? Cool, go out to the woods and never use socialised medicine where workers are at risk from people on such drugs, or just randoms walking down the street.
I don’t think taking hard drugs should put you in prison, or even give you a criminal record, but actually legalising the distribution? Nah. Go live in the woods/hills away from everyone else.
Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
The first such drug that comes to my mind is alcohol. Its distribution was also criminalized in the past, eventually leading to an increase in organized crime.
There is of course nuance to this, and I don’t claim to be an expert on classifying drugs. Though, I don’t reckon I need to try to hard to argue that there are drugs far worse than alcohol out there. I’m simply stating a blanket “all drugs should be legal” is overkill.
Drug criminalization pushes use into the shadows so that the most visible use is from those who are very loud and disruptive with it. I know you think you’re righteous with your “i don’t reckon i need to try to(sic) hard to argue” but you are operating on assumptions about substances borne of ignorance.
I don’t really fully agree with the person you are responding too, but the level of aggression brought about from Meth use is significantly more potent and consistent compared to Alcohol, which is a little more variable depending on the person using it.
I don’t know if Meth use should constitute total exile from society, especially if you are trying to get off of it. Its a highly addictive drug and usually people use it because of a state of being deprived and desperate of any joy in life.
This is a misunderstanding, apologies. I’m saying if you’re advocating complete legalisation of distribution of every single drug out there, then I’m using hyperbole to point out that this is too much “freedom to” without considering “freedom from”.
I appreciate you correcting them (Because otherwise I was going to) but saying its sinophobia is a stretch, its almost certainly just that Tiananmen Square is more famous.
That’s pretty much it, yeah. It’s worth noting, there is a lot of animosity on here, particularly from .world, for .ml and .hexbear instances. Both are heavily communist, far left communities, and get a bad rep because they are known for not accommodating liberal or other not as left viewpoints. This was particularly heated around the election with disagreements about voting for liberals vs protest voting.
Fwiw I’m a strong believer if we are to organize against literal fascism we will need the liberal and the farther left to find enough common ground to work together. It’s a…work in progress on here.
db0 (my instance and @Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com’ ) is a leftist anarchist instance and I’d say the animosity towards tankies is even stronger here.
it’s not anything to do with liberals vs leftists it’s that they handwave genocide and other atrocities as “western propaganda” and worship lennin and mao and stalin and north korea and so on and so forth.
While I think that’s inevitably true for some, I also think that sentiment gets exaggerated/overblown for others. Tankies are definitely prevalent, but there are also a lot of non tankie communists, and communists who will readily admit the failings of the dictators claiming to be communists throughout history. Genocide is an important issue for many of them, and is what pushed them away from Democrats most recently
Either way though, im not trying to argue any of these are morally correct or better than any other viewpoint. But I do think it’s undeniable that the left needs more unification globally if there is to be any meaningful resistance against the rise of fascism, and we have more in common with each other than we do with any of the oppressors in government now or the Nazis who support them
All drugs should be legal and regulated.
Decriminalised use/possession, for sure.
But I always think the libertarian “just legalise all the drugs” is just odd.
Regulated? So you mean preventing people from taking really stupid shit? Sounds great sign me up lol
People gotta accept there are trade-offs to living in a society, and one of those is that there’s a limit to which we allow each other to get high. Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
You wanna take shit like meth? Cool, go out to the woods and never use socialised medicine where workers are at risk from people on such drugs, or just randoms walking down the street.
I don’t think taking hard drugs should put you in prison, or even give you a criminal record, but actually legalising the distribution? Nah. Go live in the woods/hills away from everyone else.
The first such drug that comes to my mind is alcohol. Its distribution was also criminalized in the past, eventually leading to an increase in organized crime.
There is of course nuance to this, and I don’t claim to be an expert on classifying drugs. Though, I don’t reckon I need to try to hard to argue that there are drugs far worse than alcohol out there. I’m simply stating a blanket “all drugs should be legal” is overkill.
Alcohol certainly is ripe for abuse, also.
Drug criminalization pushes use into the shadows so that the most visible use is from those who are very loud and disruptive with it. I know you think you’re righteous with your “i don’t reckon i need to try to(sic) hard to argue” but you are operating on assumptions about substances borne of ignorance.
I’m not arguing for criminalisation of use and posession.
Just making distribution of all drugs legal is overkill, in my opinion
I don’t really fully agree with the person you are responding too, but the level of aggression brought about from Meth use is significantly more potent and consistent compared to Alcohol, which is a little more variable depending on the person using it.
I don’t know if Meth use should constitute total exile from society, especially if you are trying to get off of it. Its a highly addictive drug and usually people use it because of a state of being deprived and desperate of any joy in life.
This is a misunderstanding, apologies. I’m saying if you’re advocating complete legalisation of distribution of every single drug out there, then I’m using hyperbole to point out that this is too much “freedom to” without considering “freedom from”.
I think all drug use should be decriminalised.
holy shit I can’t believe I’m agreeing with a .ml user about something
Not all .ml are the same 😇
True, but none of them can say bitch
Tankies and libs are both authoriatians supporting different but co-dependent empires.
They’re basically the same thing.
I’m new here, does .ml users have a special reputation or what?
Yes, they do.
Tankies on .ml
tankies are everywhere
I honestly never heard the term “tankie” before a few days ago. What is it? Extremist communists?
Tankies are fans of authoritarianism masquerading as communism.
The term comes from the famous Tiananmen Square image.Edit: I was misinformed
This is wrong. It seems like libs trying to retrofit their sinophobia?
The term comes from the USSR invasion of Hungary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
I appreciate you correcting them (Because otherwise I was going to) but saying its sinophobia is a stretch, its almost certainly just that Tiananmen Square is more famous.
My bad. Now I’m wondering where I picked up that bit of incorrect information.
Thanks!
It’s partially false info. The term comes from the invasion of Hungary by USSR.
That’s pretty much it, yeah. It’s worth noting, there is a lot of animosity on here, particularly from .world, for .ml and .hexbear instances. Both are heavily communist, far left communities, and get a bad rep because they are known for not accommodating liberal or other not as left viewpoints. This was particularly heated around the election with disagreements about voting for liberals vs protest voting.
Fwiw I’m a strong believer if we are to organize against literal fascism we will need the liberal and the farther left to find enough common ground to work together. It’s a…work in progress on here.
db0 (my instance and @Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com’ ) is a leftist anarchist instance and I’d say the animosity towards tankies is even stronger here.
it’s not anything to do with liberals vs leftists it’s that they handwave genocide and other atrocities as “western propaganda” and worship lennin and mao and stalin and north korea and so on and so forth.
Huh. Made this account long ago when first API issues started in reddit, and didn’t know each instance was divided by political orientation.
Luckily we’re all federated so it makes no real difference I guess.
While I think that’s inevitably true for some, I also think that sentiment gets exaggerated/overblown for others. Tankies are definitely prevalent, but there are also a lot of non tankie communists, and communists who will readily admit the failings of the dictators claiming to be communists throughout history. Genocide is an important issue for many of them, and is what pushed them away from Democrats most recently
Either way though, im not trying to argue any of these are morally correct or better than any other viewpoint. But I do think it’s undeniable that the left needs more unification globally if there is to be any meaningful resistance against the rise of fascism, and we have more in common with each other than we do with any of the oppressors in government now or the Nazis who support them
I would have organized against Harris because that would have been easier. I’m not looking to get shot by brown shirts in the street.