We really do need to choose words wisely when we talk about these things. Inflammatory language only serves to undermine your argument when your claims can be dismissed as exaggeration. Is this a horrific situation? Yes. Is it illegal? Almost certainly. Is it the brazen disregard of law and public opinion people are claiming? Not yet! The Trump admin is allowing Khalil access to family and lawyers, and he will have his day in court. When the arrestees aren’t located in a day and given due process, then we can call them disappeared. Until then, call this what it is and no more. Be factual so people can’t as easily dismiss your facts.
There is no pretense that he has committed a crime, or isn’t in the country legally. He has a green card.
What the fuck do you mean, due process?
The holocaust was legal. In that sense, the sense of “they are ICE and so by definition, whatever fucked-up thing they do is ‘legal’,” they are following due process. If there is any other one, I’m not aware of it. Can you help me understand?
Fuckin’ due process. What on earth do you mean by that? What process are they following?
Due process means the process of going through the court system. Nothing more. The courts are there, almost in theory at this point, to determine legality and/or guilt. Cases can get tossed over illegal actions by law enforcement.
But, for most people the damage has already been done even if they are not found guiltily. That’s what these actions were, to send a message.
They didn’t go to a grand jury or get an indictment.
They didn’t have a warrant.
They attempted to say they were cancelling his visa, which they actually would be able to do, although actually deporting him is supposed to require a hearing in front of a judge. They appeared surprised that he was now a permanent resident, and appeared to say that without any type of court proceeding being involved, they were “cancelling” that too, which isn’t even remotely how it works.
The fact that there are still courts operating somewhere else in the country, applying to other people who are being subject to some other types of proceeding, does not mean that in this case they somehow magically apply to this guy. It seems extremely clear that they do not, and no one intends to have them start.
That doesn’t have to be the end of the story, of course. But they still might completely get away with it. There are, as far as I know, still some people in Guantanamo who have been there for decades without any kind of chance to challenge the accusations against them, and no one seems to mind all that much.
We really do need to choose words wisely when we talk about these things. Inflammatory language only serves to undermine your argument when your claims can be dismissed as exaggeration. Is this a horrific situation? Yes. Is it illegal? Almost certainly. Is it the brazen disregard of law and public opinion people are claiming? Not yet! The Trump admin is allowing Khalil access to family and lawyers, and he will have his day in court. When the arrestees aren’t located in a day and given due process, then we can call them disappeared. Until then, call this what it is and no more. Be factual so people can’t as easily dismiss your facts.
His own lawyers don’t even know where he is. He might already be out of the country.
Due process?
There is no pretense that he has committed a crime, or isn’t in the country legally. He has a green card.
What the fuck do you mean, due process?
The holocaust was legal. In that sense, the sense of “they are ICE and so by definition, whatever fucked-up thing they do is ‘legal’,” they are following due process. If there is any other one, I’m not aware of it. Can you help me understand?
Fuckin’ due process. What on earth do you mean by that? What process are they following?
Due process means the process of going through the court system. Nothing more. The courts are there, almost in theory at this point, to determine legality and/or guilt. Cases can get tossed over illegal actions by law enforcement.
But, for most people the damage has already been done even if they are not found guiltily. That’s what these actions were, to send a message.
They didn’t go to a grand jury or get an indictment.
They didn’t have a warrant.
They attempted to say they were cancelling his visa, which they actually would be able to do, although actually deporting him is supposed to require a hearing in front of a judge. They appeared surprised that he was now a permanent resident, and appeared to say that without any type of court proceeding being involved, they were “cancelling” that too, which isn’t even remotely how it works.
The fact that there are still courts operating somewhere else in the country, applying to other people who are being subject to some other types of proceeding, does not mean that in this case they somehow magically apply to this guy. It seems extremely clear that they do not, and no one intends to have them start.
That doesn’t have to be the end of the story, of course. But they still might completely get away with it. There are, as far as I know, still some people in Guantanamo who have been there for decades without any kind of chance to challenge the accusations against them, and no one seems to mind all that much.