• boonhet@lemm.ee
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    1 day ago

    I’m European and even I’m part of the American institutional investor class.

    Retirement funds in stock based ETFs = everyone is part of these large insitutional funds. Until my requested change taked place, my fund mostly holds Blackrock (iShares) run ETFs and a few other American ones. Soon it’ll be Xtrackers and a few other European ones with no US specific fund, but I’m not rich so this is a drop in the sea.

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      14 hours ago

      Lol, you are not part of the American institutional investor class. You invest through an American fund.

      Those are not the same thing.

      But even granting you this fantasy, it would still be in Europe’s best interest that European retail investors invest through European funds instead of American ones.

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        8 hours ago

        These institutional investors are literally made up of millions of people’s retirement funds. That’s what they are, the biggest ones anyway. If you hold their ETFs, you’re also part of it.

        I’m not saying you or I hold any sway over them, I’m saying that’s where Blackrock’s huuuuge ass AUM is derived from.

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          6 hours ago

          What you say isn’t false, but totally irrelevant to the point I am making. To the point that it is either naive or purposefully misleading.

          Congratulations for understanding the basics of how mutual funds work.

          But you are not in a position to discuss how the EU can get better in control of our own capital assets.

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            5 hours ago

            It’s both irrelevant and extremely relevant though.

            It’s irrelevant if you only consider who gets to make management decisions. It’s relevant if you consider who the beneficiaries are. Yes the fund manager gets a significant management fee regardless of performance, etc, but when stock go up, it’s the people whose money is in the funds that see their number go up. I’m saying there’s still a lot of European money that’s growing through these American funds buying European companies. So it’s not like all the value is going away to the US suddenly. Just most of it, which is still just as bad.

            Obviously it would be even better if Europeans’ retirement money was invested through European-managed funds. But I’m saying American funds probably have a larger share of European investors than European funds have American investors, as the American ones are more famous globally. It’s not a 1:1 comparison between European funds investing in the US vs American funds investing in the EU.