• PointyReality@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    Sorry, your points still don’t sway me. To learn and move past what happened, the non-voters need to take a large portion of the blame. Otherwise you are only pandering to their apathy, without them acknowledging this simple error on their part then the US will repeat this same error in the future.

    Edit: I will add I have seen more self reflection and growth from former Republicans who realise that they fucked up by supporting him in the first place. A concept you and those non-voters are failing to grasp.

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      15 days ago

      Well, I mean, you’ve shown that you aren’t interested in winning elections. And obviously, you understand at this point, the discussion is never really intended to work on you, in terms of rhetoric, so much as it is to put your deep, deep cynicism on display.

      You don’t want to win elections. Its not what you are into politics for. You’ve made that clear. You want some one to excuse your failure on. Winning elections isn’t the goal of why you think what you think or do what you do. I’ve been successful in-so-far as making that self-evident, even if I can’t convince you to move away from it.

      And thats the fundamental difference, right?

      I actually want to win elections. Which means I cant’ simply play a blame game with people who stood aside, even if I deeply resent them for doing so. If I want to win this game, I have to have empathy and try to understand why those who didn’t vote made that decision. I can’t blame the board or its pieces. I have to try to understand them.

      You talk about self-reflection and growth, but your mentality the toxic fundamental at the core of the failure which is the modern Democratic party. They don’t want to understand voters or hear criticism. They don’t want democracy within the party. Party leadership wants to manage the party in support of pro-corporate oligarchy, even if they lose elections.

      There is no failure to grasp anything here. Its just, looking at the sad, deep cynicism which is represented by what is the mainstream Democratic view of things. If you genuinely cared about this Democracy, you would have put your effort into figuring out and understanding why the Democratic party is so deeply unpopular with voters. But you don’t care. Its all a write off to you so you can morally wash your hands of the matter. As long as you’ve got someone to blame, you are good.