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It’s almost a guarantee that she is going to be raped multiple times in a men’s prison. And while you could say that she is supporting the people who make this happen, leopards eating faces and all that, and therefore, had it coming… no one deserves this. Being principled means standing for your enemies when it’s necessary, even if you know they wouldn’t do the same for you.
Does she deserves prison? I mean… I guess, if we think prison is good, then yes? But that’s a whole other debate. But I’m seeing it like this: On one hand: It’s a Trump supporter dipshit who stormed the fucking capitol and is getting what’s coming to them, fuck them. But on the other hand: It’s a trans woman being thrown in a men’s prison and is therefore going to be raped multiple times and/or be forced to be stuck in solitary the whole time. And that is not ok, at all.
They’re comparing inhumane treatment from the past to inhumane treatment from the past. Just because something used to be done doesn’t mean it’s acceptable. Also, just because something is better than what used to be done doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.
Justice should be fair. The punishment should not be worse for a trans person. I don’t care what they did, it should be fair.
Consider this rule will also apply to someone who was arrested for something petty, like a drug charge or something. Should they also be tortured by being sent to the wrong prison? This is our chance to fix an issue with the system and maybe get Republicans on our side too. It’s a win-win.
Either we’re better people than then or we’re not. It sounds like you aren’t.
It’s also completely insane to compare a drug dealing offense to literal fucking treason, the thing we hang people over.
You keep saying people can’t compare things, yet I’m not. The fact of the matter is the rules apply to everyone. It doesn’t matter what your offense is, it will get the same rule applied. If we make a rule that your prison is determined by your gender at birth, that’s the rule. It doesn’t matter if you commit treason, kill millions of people, or jaywalk. They don’t say the rule should be different based on offense. It’s just the rule. If you think this person should be in a male prison because they committed treason, you’re condemning all trans people to the same fate.
8 years in a men’s prison where she’ll be a target, and that is putting it mildly. It is arguably crueler than a quick hanging or a bullet behind the gas shed, at least in its intent. Direct malice where an execution or an equivalent sentence in a women’s facility, while disdainful, is not about humiliation and ritual purification by the threat of sexual torture. When trans people are put in the wrong prison, it is a punitive measure for that person’s perceived sexual deviance, and an open threat to the rest of the queer community: rape is and has always been considered an acceptable punishment for sexual minorities. If America had wanted to fix that, it might have, but American prisons are punitive above all else. So the question becomes, do we endorse torture on our political enemies? I don’t think we are the enlightened side of good if we argue “be thankful we don’t execute you.”
Beside, I hate the idea of a citizen committing “treason”. I have absolutely no loyalty whatsoever to my country, I just happen to be born there, I didn’t chose it, I didn’t signed up for it.
It’s almost a guarantee that she is going to be raped multiple times in a men’s prison. And while you could say that she is supporting the people who make this happen, leopards eating faces and all that, and therefore, had it coming… no one deserves this. Being principled means standing for your enemies when it’s necessary, even if you know they wouldn’t do the same for you.
Does she deserves prison? I mean… I guess, if we think prison is good, then yes? But that’s a whole other debate. But I’m seeing it like this: On one hand: It’s a Trump supporter dipshit who stormed the fucking capitol and is getting what’s coming to them, fuck them. But on the other hand: It’s a trans woman being thrown in a men’s prison and is therefore going to be raped multiple times and/or be forced to be stuck in solitary the whole time. And that is not ok, at all.
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They’re comparing inhumane treatment from the past to inhumane treatment from the past. Just because something used to be done doesn’t mean it’s acceptable. Also, just because something is better than what used to be done doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.
Justice should be fair. The punishment should not be worse for a trans person. I don’t care what they did, it should be fair.
Consider this rule will also apply to someone who was arrested for something petty, like a drug charge or something. Should they also be tortured by being sent to the wrong prison? This is our chance to fix an issue with the system and maybe get Republicans on our side too. It’s a win-win.
Either we’re better people than then or we’re not. It sounds like you aren’t.
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You keep saying people can’t compare things, yet I’m not. The fact of the matter is the rules apply to everyone. It doesn’t matter what your offense is, it will get the same rule applied. If we make a rule that your prison is determined by your gender at birth, that’s the rule. It doesn’t matter if you commit treason, kill millions of people, or jaywalk. They don’t say the rule should be different based on offense. It’s just the rule. If you think this person should be in a male prison because they committed treason, you’re condemning all trans people to the same fate.
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Username checks out I guess.
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8 years in a men’s prison where she’ll be a target, and that is putting it mildly. It is arguably crueler than a quick hanging or a bullet behind the gas shed, at least in its intent. Direct malice where an execution or an equivalent sentence in a women’s facility, while disdainful, is not about humiliation and ritual purification by the threat of sexual torture. When trans people are put in the wrong prison, it is a punitive measure for that person’s perceived sexual deviance, and an open threat to the rest of the queer community: rape is and has always been considered an acceptable punishment for sexual minorities. If America had wanted to fix that, it might have, but American prisons are punitive above all else. So the question becomes, do we endorse torture on our political enemies? I don’t think we are the enlightened side of good if we argue “be thankful we don’t execute you.”
Who does??
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Canada doesn’t even have the death penalty.
I don’t care. It doesn’t make it OK.
Beside, I hate the idea of a citizen committing “treason”. I have absolutely no loyalty whatsoever to my country, I just happen to be born there, I didn’t chose it, I didn’t signed up for it.
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