Is this guy even real? lmao at this point he might as well admit to being a christo-facist

I don’t think anything significant would be lost by dumping ml. two years ago sure, the platform was too small but now ml is just annoying. I don’t know how the governance of that sever is set up. but if nutomic has control of the domain, its more a question of when will he decide to change ml rules. I trust ada to make the call when federation with ml becomes a problem. guess i’m just chiming in to reaffirm that for when the time comes. don’t know how lemmy as a platform grows long term if nutomic retains any level of control over it. but i’ll probably just be following you fuckin weirdos onto the next platform so it’s not that big a deal. maybe it could be a nostalgic return to internet forums.

I think defederating almost any instance is dumb, not my instance though so do what you will.

Multiple states: “Let’s literally use the force of law to ban trans people from existing.”

This jackoff: “Hmmm, I just don’t know if the bourgeoisie is really against trans rights! It’s so hard to tell!”

I’m not going to weigh in on the defederation issue. I don’t use enough .ml communities to know how this guy’s views reflect in the moderation policies of the instance. But fuck him in particular.

I personally blocked ml a long time ago and my experience is much better for it. Their moderation and userbase leave much to be desired. As far as nutomic, I would say it seems like hes not a good person from what I know, and especially this post.

I personally haven’t seen any transphobic posts on .ml so I don’t see a reason to block the whole instance. I also see some folx ITT taking issue with the left-leaning user base of .ml, but I don’t think we should enforce political views that aren’t related to LGBT rights here.

This feels like cherry picked examples to try and frame nutomic as being transphobic. Its always this one screenshot, of a comment made in response to something else that I have never seen posted any of the times this has been brought up. A response without context is kind of sus.

Being uninformed or misinformed is not bigotry. There was a time when I probably would have said something similar, before I learned more, and knew better. I don’t think this is strong evidence of a real issue.

Until the point that he makes more questionable statements about trans or lgbtqia2s+ people, this is fine as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think what I have seen so far is actionable.

Edit: from reading Ada’s comments in this thread I endorse her stance.

From the very strict enforcement standards of this instance, the DM was enough to warrant a ban for nutomic, but not enough to warrant defederation for ml. That seems fine until or unless more information comes to light.

It’s the first time I see the transphobic original message, and honestly I’m not surprised to see it within ML community. In general, they and the ideology is already rather cultish given their beliefs and the shunning of “wrongthink”, but there’s a smaller subsection of ML’s who genuinely believe in this kind of reactionary chauvinism that’s a complete bastardization of Marxism.

There’s probably no one on this specific community who goes “hmm maybe there’s some merit to that statement”, but in case there is:

Trans people exist, and much like proletarians, their experience is shaped by our society and material conditions. They suffer through medical gatekeeping, discrimination and state violence among other things, all of them stemming from structures of capitalist domination, and just because occasionally some bourgeoisie opportunistically exploit these issues to garner support/profit from rainbow capitalism and the like, doesn’t mean you should go full reactionary.

Tankies showing us how close to right wing conservatives they really are. How unusual /s. Makes one look at this particular crowd’s big push to not vote in elections against a wannabe bigot fascist a little differently…

I saw this earlier in !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works and it’s pretty bad. I’m in favor of defederation, at the very least to help cut some of .ml’s network effect on the Fediverse. Since many of their communities are insanely large and they’re also very well known for banning people for let’s just say less than justified reasons. Nutomic’s transphobia is really the last straw in my opinion. If people are interested in looking for alternative to popular .ml communities, !de_ml@lemmy.blahaj.zone is a good place to look.

I don’t think anyone needs to stop using or break away from Lemmy like people say. Lemmy is open-source and can easily be forked. Lemmy’s devs don’t have the authority to deny people from using Lemmy either. Instances operate independent of them, and since many instances are already here and using Lemmy, switching to something completely different and incompatible would be extremely damaging.

not because its only transphobia, but the obvious misinformation they believe in, much like right wingers do. glad i can block both hexbear and ml instances.

Personally, I don’t think his shitty views necessarily translate into .ml moderation policy and action, which to me would be the problem that defederation is meant to solve.

That said, I wouldn’t mind defed-ing from them in general, as most of my unpleasant interactions in the fediverse have been with .ml users.

Ultimately, I’ll back Ada on what she thinks and decides. She’s very level headed and strict with other instances as far as blahaj zones mission statement is concerned, and I trust her completely.

I’m not on my blahaj account, but I can copy/paste there if you’d prefer. Just seemed pointless when I use the same user name to switch over.

But I’m mainly giving some background to the whole matter, rather than primarily “voting” about defederation.

It’s interesting that nutomic wants to get all het up after asking for donations to lemmy development.

That’s largely why they’ve been so active in comments lately. They can’t seem to keep from expecting people to pay them as individuals the develop lemmy, while also not being willing to at least be clear about where they stand.

And that’s what the donation requests are about. They’re not bringing in enough to develop full time. And that’s an important thing, having full time developers on a project like this. What they don’t seem to get is that they’re not just asking us to pay for full time developers, they’re asking us to pay them. They aren’t figureheads or managers, so it isn’t some kind of collective where you can point to other members of the dev team and say “well, maybe those two are unpleasant, but at least the rest aren’t bigoted”

Which, afaik, dessalines has never publicly been bigoted. He can be a smug asshole sometimes, but so can I, so there’s only so much complaining I can do there. But nutomic is a different issue, and this screen shot perfectly encapsulates how.

Donations would go into both of their pockets for their work, and they do deserve to be paid for that. Even jerks get to make a living. But we all get the choice as to whether or not we’re a customer or not. Me? My double digit yearly open source budget is going to people that at least have the sense to have never shot their mouths off with bigoted bullshit. Lemmy is an amazing thing, and the world needs it. I just can’t directly support a bigot. I can’t, and won’t do it.

I wouldn’t hire on someone to fix my roof if they had a damn maga hat on, why would I give money to someone that is not only just as much of a bigot, but is also hyper authoritarian? I know hiring someone vs contributing to a project isn’t a 1:1 equivalency, but the principle is.

Donations to then also fund .ml. And if anyone wants to donate like that, it’s none of my business. It’s just important that it be known that you can’t donate granularly. You donate, .ml gets some operating costs covered, dessalines gets a chunk, and nutomic gets a chunk.

And that’s where this comes from. The discussion in the screen shot is fallout from that. Nutomic still holds the same views they always have, but wants people to ignore that when donating. Which is fine!

As far as defederation goes, all I can say is that, while I have had unpleasant runins with both of them, I’ve never been permanently banned from .ml, or any of its communities. Individual communities there can, and do, enforce anti-bigotry rules with no interference from admins. But, there are no specific instance rules regarding transphobia in particular.

Again, this is pretty much just added background for anyone that hasn’t the time to go digging for the context of the screen shots.

lemmy devs being bigoted it’s more likely than it think

i really wish there was a valid lemmy alternative software or wish postmill implemented atproto or ap :(

Personally, I have a very poor opinion of nutomic. And yes, he has always been/felt transphobic. He has a history of making massive oversteps to attack people that have differing opinions to his, and overall I believe him to be a threat to the trans community. As for whether we should defederate? I really have no clue. It certainly isn’t a bastion for blatant transphobia, and hosts many of the top Lemmy communities, and a very large amount of the active Lemmy userbase. I think the effects of defederation would be immense, and take a lot of time and consideration to understand if it’s overall beneficial to the community. That being said, I’m sure I could be swayed to support either side. I’d be very curious what Ada has to say about this, as I believe I’ll support her opinion on the matter.

EDIT: I think it’s valuable to point out that any individual user can block an instance in their settings. So regardless of any defederation decision (which Ada seems opposed to), anyone can choose to block the instance themselves.