France is "determined" to recognise a Palestinian state, its foreign minister said on Tuesday, condemning Israel for the "indefensible" situation in Gaza created by its military campaign and humanitarian…

France is “determined” to recognise a Palestinian state, its foreign minister said on Tuesday, condemning Israel for the “indefensible” situation in Gaza created by its military campaign and humanitarian blockade.

  • nun@lemm.eeEnglish
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    9 hours ago

    I agree with most of your points, I just don’t think any of them cross the threshold for what should be considered free speech. I also don’t think the default assumption should be antisemitism or holocaust denial or whatever.

    The Nazis were obviously worse, but the vast majority of people saying they are the same are just being hyperbolic or at worst ignorant. The vast majority of people saying the state of Israel should be abolished (at least on western social media) do not mean “the Jews dont deserve a home” or “it should be abolished through the killing of all Israelis”. And yeah there’s no short version for the Zionism issue on this end either because it’s a word that can mean anything to different people.

    • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
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      8 hours ago

      the vast majority of people saying they are the same are just being hyperbolic or at worst ignorant

      I agree, and accusing them blanketly of antisemitism or being fascists is not helpful. A three-day timeout, “be less hyperbolic and read up on how bad the Nazis were” is absolutely in order, though, If for no reason than to not make a habit out of hyperbole.

      And then there’s select few who, when confronted with even a hint of nuance, will scream “SO YOU ARE A ZIONIST WHY DO YOU LIKE EATING BABIES” and I’m not at all sad about seeing them banned. Same goes for people saying stuff like “There are no innocent Palestinians” which actually straight-up qualifies as incitement to hatred under German law.

      And for the absolutists: Free speech free smeech this is still supposed to be a community (of course there’s a relevant xkcd).