A small ioniq 6 requires 6 solar panels dedicated to the car. And that assumes charging through the day. Want to charge at night? Now you need a decent battery.
F-150? Now you need 12 panels. And a bigger battery. Plus your home energy needs, throw on a few more panels for that.
I’m frustrated by generic appeal to solar without consideration for the realities of same.
A small ioniq 6 requires 6 solar panels dedicated to the car. And that assumes charging through the day. Want to charge at night? Now you need a decent battery.
F-150? Now you need 12 panels. And a bigger battery. Plus your home energy needs, throw on a few more panels for that.
And how much investment do you need in fossil fuel to refuel your car? In the event of a societal breakdown, gas will not be brought to you, or we could count on electric lines also working.
6-12 solar panels are still cheaper and more versatile than an oil well and refinery combo.
in the event of societal breakdown it’s gonna be far easier to siphon some gas tanks than to rig up an EV with a scavenged solar power setup, a working inverter, and sufficient battery bank. if it were me i’d start with the former and try and work towards the latter before all the gas goes stale. all that said cybertruck would be at the very bottom of the list, i’d rather use literally anything else in any and all scenarios.
in the event of societal breakdown it’s gonna be far easier to siphon some gas tanks
Yeah, but those are finite and already in the possession of other people, and there are tons of gas guzzlers consuming it at all times. How long do you think those tanks will last? The sun won’t go out.
But we agree, cybertruck is to big, heavy, not mobile enough and too high maintenance for this. E-bikes all the way to be honest for personal transport, e-kei trucks to haul cargo.
i guess i was a bit unclear. my strat would be to leverage the greater availability of gas and ICE vehicles to get by in the short term until i could scavenge enough gear to power an EV. because yeah you’re totally right, eventually all the gas will get burned or go bad but the sun ain’t going nowhere.
I think it’s just differing cultural expectations, here every second house has some panels but I am not sure I could get gas if the power went out because all the stations are unmanned. Also, most cars here seem to be electric.
Gasoline sitting in a tank goes bad in 6 months. Even with a stabilizer you’re only looking at 2 years before degradation is an issue. I’d think an EV with solar would last longer even with battery degradation to worry about.
yeah but it’s more available, so leverage the availability of gasoline and combustion-powered vehicles to get by and scavenge in the short term, until you have a usable EV + solar charger set up for the long term. i wouldn’t go straight for the EV right off because without a charging setup ready you’re hosed as soon as its battery loses charge but you’re right, an EV be useful for far longer if the grid disappeared.
‘some’
Can’t tell if you are being wilfully obtuse. Look at the math: https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/calculate-how-many-solar-panels-you-need-to-charge-your-ev/
A small ioniq 6 requires 6 solar panels dedicated to the car. And that assumes charging through the day. Want to charge at night? Now you need a decent battery.
F-150? Now you need 12 panels. And a bigger battery. Plus your home energy needs, throw on a few more panels for that.
I’m frustrated by generic appeal to solar without consideration for the realities of same.
Though I completely agree with your bike comment.
And how much investment do you need in fossil fuel to refuel your car? In the event of a societal breakdown, gas will not be brought to you, or we could count on electric lines also working.
6-12 solar panels are still cheaper and more versatile than an oil well and refinery combo.
in the event of societal breakdown it’s gonna be far easier to siphon some gas tanks than to rig up an EV with a scavenged solar power setup, a working inverter, and sufficient battery bank. if it were me i’d start with the former and try and work towards the latter before all the gas goes stale. all that said cybertruck would be at the very bottom of the list, i’d rather use literally anything else in any and all scenarios.
Yeah, but those are finite and already in the possession of other people, and there are tons of gas guzzlers consuming it at all times. How long do you think those tanks will last? The sun won’t go out.
But we agree, cybertruck is to big, heavy, not mobile enough and too high maintenance for this. E-bikes all the way to be honest for personal transport, e-kei trucks to haul cargo.
i guess i was a bit unclear. my strat would be to leverage the greater availability of gas and ICE vehicles to get by in the short term until i could scavenge enough gear to power an EV. because yeah you’re totally right, eventually all the gas will get burned or go bad but the sun ain’t going nowhere.
Yeah that makes total sense.
I think it’s just differing cultural expectations, here every second house has some panels but I am not sure I could get gas if the power went out because all the stations are unmanned. Also, most cars here seem to be electric.
yeah i’m in the rural US, there’s panels and EVs here and there but the combustion engine is still king for now
Gasoline sitting in a tank goes bad in 6 months. Even with a stabilizer you’re only looking at 2 years before degradation is an issue. I’d think an EV with solar would last longer even with battery degradation to worry about.
yeah but it’s more available, so leverage the availability of gasoline and combustion-powered vehicles to get by and scavenge in the short term, until you have a usable EV + solar charger set up for the long term. i wouldn’t go straight for the EV right off because without a charging setup ready you’re hosed as soon as its battery loses charge but you’re right, an EV be useful for far longer if the grid disappeared.