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Hey guys, there is a lot of troll baiting in this thread. You’ve been doing a great job of not falling for it, so I’m not going to lock it. Newbies to this thread, check the times of when it was made and if it brings up the distant past a lot, those are good clues. Leave one comment at most to save everyone’s sanity.
Twice!
We’ve had first impeachment, yes. But what about second impeachment?
We also had that! What about third impeachment?
Not sure who still isn’t getting this.
There is a literal American traitor in the Oval Office. One who has flagrantly violated the law, and specifically the Constitution, numerous times.
Impeachment is meaningless, as we’ve witnessed multiple times in American history. Impeachment is an acceptable process if the violation is minimal and not repeated. It’s a slap on the wrist. A warning.
We are WAY beyond a symbolic slap on the wrist with no real repercussions. Impeachment is not a valid tool to use in a situation like this. At minimum, we are at the point where there needs to be massive protests like we just saw, repeatedly, until he is removed from office. If that fails, then there needs to be a general strike until he’s removed. If that fails, then he needs to be removed from office by force.
If we can’t manage these things, we will continue seeing the degradation of our freedoms, the collapse of our economy, the destruction of our founding document, signaling the end of our democracy, and the hole we’ll end up finding ourselves in will be one we won’t see this country come out of for the remainder of our lives.
It is time to remove this traitor and his treasonous enablers from their positions of power.
They had a better chance of impeaching him for Jan 6th for actual insurrection than they do this time. Why? Because there are so many legal loop holes with the War Time Powers Act and the 2001 Authorization of The Use of Military Force. These loopholes were used by both Bush Jr. and Obama for various justifications for air strikes so the precedent is already there. Don’t get your hopes up and chalk up it up political theater. It’s also a distraction from what’s going on. Thanks again to Twatter being that megaphone of “HEY LOOK OVER HERE!”
We haven’t declared war since WW2. Everything has been AUMF, which can be done within 60 days retroactively. As always, the government is checks and balances, so if Congress refuses to exercise its powers and let the executive do whatever, it’s a moot point.
I think it’d only lead to impeachment if Congress wants us gone within 60 days and Trump refuses, continues without an AUMF, and then Congress actually had the balls to push back at that point.
But if someone is more familiar with the legal processes involved here, please do correct me or add to this.
Didn’t they dangle an “impeachment” so many times the last time it literally stopped meaning anything? I see thru this game and I ain’t buying it.
It worked so well the first two times. Why not try again?
Third times a charm?
This will totally work.
And yes, I know its bait.
If we have to rely on the house or senate to impeach him, that’s not going to happen.
If that dude knew how to fucking aim
Oh, you mean like how he was impeached in his first term in office and nothing changed?
Both impeachments were acquitted by the Senate after the House passed them.
Point taken, but I don’t see it going any differently this time around.
Nope. Its theater.
Which the Democrats should absolutely fucking do regardless of whether The Republicans will vote to convict, which of course they won’t, but the point is, we can’t just sit back and do nothing. We have to at least show that we’re willing to take the steps that are necessary to dissent.
There aren’t enough Democrats in Congress to impeach him.
They could at least introduce the resolution. It’s not a true win, but at least they don’t continue to be seen just lying down and taking it.
Mike Johnson won’t bring it to the floor.
It can be introduced as a “privileged resolution“ which bypasses Johnson’s ability to do that. That said the GOP still has a number of options to table it, or refer it to committee, but at least that bypasses that fuckwad Johnson. This fucking government I swear to God. Can we just please have a constitutional convention already?
I’m not particularly confident that a constitutional convention would end positively. You need 3/4 of state legislatures to agree to any change and Republicans are much more likely than Democrats to reach that threshold. The most realistic outcome is probably an amendment banning DEI initiatives or corporate tax rates above 10% or some shit like that.
Impeach Johnson, too. Throw them all out via the 14th amendment. I’m so tired of the republicans being consistently the worst people on earth.
Might as well. They don’t seem to be doing anything else.
Or they’d be seen as pursuing a pointless and performative act they knew wouldn’t work.
You can’t win with people who want you to fail.
Doesn’t matter.
Every impeachable offense needs to be processed. The time the GOP spends defending him is time they aren’t spending actively destroying the world.
Plus, we need to have a clear and firm record of who supports his actions.
even if there were, the gop would never convict him, the last 2 times showed us that.
That ship has sailed decades ago. The US hasn’t been officially at war since 1945, and the congress has for all intents and purposes gave up on that power.
The speed Congress gave up their constitutional powers to avoid repurcusions for having opinions and voting for them is crazy. But I guess being able to give yourself a raise every year for doing nothing is tempting.
To be fair to the US Congress (AFAIK) no one as been formally at war since 1945 - and unless I’m forgetting anything it would actually make the US Congress the last ones to declare war on anyone.
Since WW2 everything is framed as a peacekeeping mission (when approved even if only implicitly by the UN Security Council), a civil war, helping the legitimate government in a civil war (US in Vietnam or Soviet Union in Afghanistan for example), or when every other excuse fails a pre-emptive special military operation (US in Iraq, Russia in Ukraine, Israel in all of their neighbours + Iran).
And this is a good thing. Declarations of war makes war a legitimate thing. In the past it was a noble and goodly thing to do, all of the correct paperwork has been submitted and so now it’s good and proper for you to go over there and kill those people that have different uniforms.
Also a declaration of war means going from 0 to 100 on everything. There’s no escalation and also no de-escalation. Probably not a good thing to instantly go 0 to 100 once nuclear weapons became a thing.
People often decry how war is no longer a legitimate thing because there’s no longer declarations of war. The reality is, war never was a legitimate thing. Declarations of war were just powerful people making the act of sending people out to kill and be killed seem legitimate.
Yes, the “special operations” and “coalitions of the willing” stuff is bullshit. But so were declarations of war. It’s better you think about whether a military action is actually needed rather than believing a war is proper simply because the people in power did the paperwork correctly.
Declarations of war are bad, but they were made hard to do in modern states. Almost every single countries have rules and procedures in place to make sure a hot head can’t do it over the weekend.
“Special Military Operations” undid all those efforts by putting all the powers back in the hands of a single person.
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Classic war just doesn’t have any appeal these days
The actual purpose of congress is to violently enforce capitalism by rubber stamping imperialism, policing, prisons, etc.
Trump has already been impeached.
Twice.
The last time he was president.
It doesn’t matter anymore.
And became a felon after that.
Shortly before becoming president for the second time.
Illegally! Amendment 13, Section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
No such vote was held. The disability was not removed. Allowing the tried and convicted insurrectionist Donald Trump to appear on any ballot for any public position, State or Federal, after he was convicted of insurrection against the United States was the beginning of the Constitutional crisis we are now mired in and all of Congress is complicit.
That isn’t what he was convicted of. The charges brought that could’ve made this true were related to the 2023 federal indictment consisting of:
four criminal charges of conspiring to defraud the government and disenfranchise voters, and corruptly obstructing an official proceeding.
However, on November 25, 2024 Judge Tanya Chutkan dismissed the case without prejudice.
The felonies he was convicted for were related to the March 2023 state indictment “The People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump” which consisted of:
34 criminal charges of falsifying business records in the first degree related to payments made to Stormy Daniels before the 2016 presidential election.
At no point has he been convicted of having:
engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
He was convicted of being a fraudster, con-man, liar and sex pest but not for being an insurrectionist. This isn’t a “illegal” problem, it’s a classic case of dual tier justice and the consequences thereof. The justice system is beyond fucked, and has been for a long time. Solutions will not be coming from that line of reasoning.
And winning the popular vote this time.
Allegedly
I haven’t seen any credible allegation to the contrary, and it’s in line with pre election polling…
That’s like, their opinion, man.
