• ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 months ago

    This could easily be a monkeys paw situation. Perhaps the thing that makes the nd people you interact with kind and understanding is having experienced oppression

    Elon musk has autism, for example, and he is a notable piece of shit

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      3 months ago

      He SAYS he has it, but he’s a massive liar. He may have it, or he may not have it, but if his word is all the evidence we have, then we have no evidence at all.

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        He’s a prolific example and while the veracity of his diagnosis can be debated (I don’t think it’s a stretch but I also agree it’s not a given) it’s not hard to come across people with autism who are racist, fascist, homophobic, etc. especially young people.

        I’ve done autism focused counseling for well over a decade. I’ve talked to a bunch of people with autism who were super into ww2 and Hitler (like in a they thought he was super cool way), who got swept up into tea party and maga rhetoric, etc. some don’t give a shit about politics but are still really vindictive and their tendency to ruminate and obsess about things leads to shit like doxxing people who they fight with online or form parasocial relationships around. Some of the more capable people I’ve worked with have deeply internalized ableism and resentment towards anyone who needs accommodations because they’ve managed to power through high school and college and now they have a high paying tech job (though often their career is stalled because while their output is stellar they are considered socially awkward so moving to supervisory roles that would earn them more significant pay are locked away, adding an extra dimension to the resentment)

        Toxic behavior is human, it’s up to us to reflect on what parts of us are shitty and try to improve. This is true regardless of neurodiversity status

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        You can be on the spectrum and still grow up a narcissist. Often aided by experiencing social rejection.

        What you cant do is live as a narcissist on the spectrum and also be happy, instead it tends to make the ego worse in the typical rich persons disease. You can have everything, except what you need because you are to dissattached from- and actively suppressing, your internal needs.

        Elon Musk needs to chill, hop into a pokemon onesie, get on some friendly Minecraft smp and embrace the fact that they are queer.

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      Mhh I don’t agree. I don’t know how to express it but I think experiencing hardship doesn’t automatically make you a better person.

      Also being a piece of shit doesn’t have to be caused by autism.

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        It doesn’t automatically, agreed, it can absolutely make you a bitter vindictive asshole. But it can also make you an empathic person who understands how hard it can be. The absence of it is far more likely to make you an out of touch moron though

        “It’s a banana, what could it cost, $10?” kind of thing. “If you need an accommodation just have your dad call the ceo”

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      Greg Wallace also is a scumbag who tried to use autism as a defence. There have been high profile murder cases in the UK recently where autistic/ND teenagers killed other kids/teens. Douchebags and evil exist among all neurotypes.