The NAZI mindset that even the lives of children don’t matter if they’re from an ethnicity which the fascists of a self-proclaimed mater-race (“god’s chosen people”) have deemed subhuman (“human animals”, “vermin”), is alive and well in Germany.
The symbols were torn down and the goosestepping stopped to appease the Allies, but the mental framework of seeing others as “ethnics”, with those of some ethnicities being thought of as untermenschen whose lives have no value, still lives in the German power structures.
Might biggest disappointment in all this was the revelation that even in the face of Genocide Germany still puts support for Races above Human Lives, just like in the old days.
It’s misguided to declare it a “NAZI mindset”. This mindset is common in many if not most countries, regardless of whether they were influenced by German Nazis or not. The only thing thing about this that is specifically Germany-related is the idea that Germany must be allied (one-sidedly) with Israel to atone for the holocaust, regardless of how Israel acts.
It’s not the being a Racist, it’s the how far you act on it.
The NAZI element is the supporting a Genocide which is turning into a new Holocaust (this one were the mass murdering is done via Starvation rather than Zyklon B, which is especially daming because Starvation is considered the most painful death there is on account of the body eating itself up) because the aggressors belong to and claim to represent a specific race than the victims: that is far, far beyond common racism - even the Ku-Klux-Klan did not murder as many children of the targetted ethnicity in a century as the Zionists did just in the first couple of months of this attack on Gaza.
That’s what really qualifies that kind of mindset at a level beyond “mere”, common Racism, and into the same domain as Nazism and other ethno-Fascist ideologies.
For me personally and adding to that, comes the profound dissapointment that a nation which I believed had, following the horror caused by a certain kind of thinking in their own past, interiorized the Humanist principle of an unconditional “Never again!”, turned out to instead had just interiorized the idea that a racial classification error had made with one specific ethnicity (and only one, so for example the Roma people whom Hitler himself made equally targetted for extermination, are not included in this) which was before deemed untermenschen when they should’ve been classified as ubermenschen, and just moved them from one classification to the other in their treatment of them - a mere admission and correction of a “labelling error” rather than acceptance of the error of and tearing down of the entire way of thinking that labelled people by ethnicity like that, used such labels to determine their “inherent worth” as human beings and translated that into actions that would even result in the death of millions of people deemed of a “lesser” race if the killers were of a “greater” race.
“Never again!” was only ever about specific races, not about what human beings should not do to other human beings.
The “unwavering support for the Jewish Nation”, very openly stated by amongst others Merz, could only be measured as “normal” Racism (it’s very openly about the ethnicity of the people in that nation, hence the Racial Discrimination is not in doubt) until the Genocide started, but its continuation even as it became clearer the extent and, maybe more damning, the sheer inhumanity (the targetting of children is pretty telling) of it, has showed that the mindset behind it was not merelly that of the common Racist: it takes a very special, very extreme kind of Racist to be ok wth the mass murdering of children.
Wherever the fuck the moral red line is for the German elites (it’s unclear if they even have one), it’s far beyond most Racists out there, even the likes of the most racist Afrikaners in Apartheid South Africa or the Ku-Klux-Klan in America.
The NAZI element is the supporting a Genocide
But Germany is far from being the only country to support Israel’s genocide. Why, then, is this spezifically a “NAZI” thing when Germany does it? Are the US, UK etc. also supporting it because of the “NAZI” element?
I generally support calling it Nazi shit, but somehow these kinds of comments only seem to come up when it’s about Germany.
The NAZI element in this racism is the supporting of a Genocide (Fixed it for you).
It was never about Germans being NAZIs or having NAZIs amongst them (which should be clear when that quote is seen in context rather than decontextualized as you used it) which is why on all my posts I very carefully only ever mentioned “NAZI-mindset” (and really meant it as “NAZI-like mindset” since it’s not about people thinking like the NAZIs in everything)
My point is about how a certain moral framework specifically defining how other people should be treated depending on their race, which is very much the same moral framework that served as foundation for NAZI thinking on Race, is still alive and well amongst the German elites and treated as a natural way of thinking by many if not most of the rest (i.e. it has been normalized amongst the German Society).
And, yeah Britain and America too display said “NAZI-mindset” in their support of this Genocide, and the rationale is the exact same one as I used when talking about Germany - its not about about having a National Socialist Party Of The German Worker there, it’s about following an extreme form of racial discrimination which sees mass murdering of children as morally acceptable if the aggressor ethnicity is a “favored” ethnicity and the children are from a “disfavored” one.
Further, having such a mindset amongst at least part of the population there makes all sense in light of both countries’ history: the British elites were very attracted to NAZIsm right up until Hitler invaded Poland (there’s even a picture of young Princess Elizabeth being taught the NAZI salute by her uncle, the King) AND have their own collection of Genocides they commited during the Empire times including one done in India by none other than Churchill himself, whilst America only exists as it is thanks to the Genocide of multiple Native Indian tribes there, plus widelly practiced Chatel Slavery for a large part of its History.
The real shocker in all this is that it turns out that either the “Humanism” of many supposedly Democratic nations in the last couple of decades was 100% performative and totally hypocrite or they’ve actually been regressing back to 19th century values (such as white colonialism and the myth of the “uncivilized savage” that justified treating them as subhuman - something which curiously, is a common supporting pillar in Israeli propaganda about Palestinians) that ended up materialized in the early 20th century in things like the Holocaust.
So no, the Nazi-mindset in the sense I used it (meaning Nazi-levels of Racism and disregard for human life) is not a Germany Exclusive. The only thing in this that is a Germany Exclusive is that Germany supposedly attoned for having acted on such mindset and expunged said mindset, but in practice it didn’t attone in a fair way (for example, the victims of the Holocaust from the Roma People never received the same treatment as even members of the Jewish People who themselves were never victims or family of the victims) and the mindset was never expunged and is alive and well amongst the power elites and even accepted as normal by many common Germans as painfully displayed in the “unwavering support of the Jewish Nation” whilst they commit Genocide.
You say all that, but where are your lengthy NAZI-mindset comments about other Israel supporters? You brought it up recently about Israel, so you might not be completely full of shit, but you understand why I’m suspicious about it, right?
Check my posting history.
I’ve been hammering the British Government posture on this quite hard everytime they arrest yet another Palestine-supporting anti-Genocide “terrorist” old lady, though I haven’t done it anywhere as much for the US because its current Fascism is so self-evident and so many people here relentlessly point it out and some even include comparisons with the NAZIs, so my voice would be redundant.
That said, events displaying extreme Racism in Germany do pull me towards mentioning the NAZIs, both because the NAZIs were mainly from Germany (and Austria) - so mentioning them in the context of Racism in Germany is like mentioning the Ku-Klux-Klan in the context of Racism in the US - and because before this display of the seedy underbelly of mainstream German politics I really, trully, deeply believed that Germans had learned from the horrors of NAZIsm to become even closer to Humanist ideals than most others and were thus the people in the World least likely to display traits of NAZI thinking.
Also as you see in my previous post, I do draw parallels to equivalent historical events for Britain and the US - the various Genocides of the British Empire for the former and the Native American Genocides for the latter.
That said, I confess I expected that kind of shit from Britain and the United States Of America (especially the former, having lived there for a decade and thus having a horrible opinion of it’s elites and parts of its society), but the depths of my dissapointment with Germany (were I also lived, tough only for a few months, having left with a far better impression than I did Britain) are undescribeable, and that does make me more likely to point the only other point in Germany’s recent history when the country in my view as a nation acted anywhere near the moral lows it is displaying now (I can’t really think of any other ocasion between then and now when Germany supported such horrible actions so openly justifying it with Racist rationales).
Where are you from that your country has no racism what sort ever?
Nowhere in OP’s comment do they suggest that their country has no racism. Perhaps you would do well to go back and carefully reread what they actually wrote.
True I missread the comment. I thought just the headline including the words “partially suspends arms deliveries” would kind of show, that there is at least some value being placed in peoples lifes and not Germany has not changed at all since the Nazi era. So I presumed he was surprised about there being racism in Germany.
Yeah, my bad.
In light of the complete total bullshit that both Carney’s “suspention” or arms sales to Israel in Canada and Starmer’s “restriction” of arms sales to Israel in Britain turned out to be, I incorrectly presumed that like me others would see Merz’s announcement with distrusts and skepticism (given that until now Germany has “unwaveringly supported” the Genocide even harder than the other two countries) and did not actually wrote it in my post leaving it open to a different interpretation.
It’s funny that you think merely being a Racist or not is the only consideration, rather than what you do or allow to happen because of your Racism.
That reductive “logic” only makes sense if for you, Morally, supporting the mass murder of children because of their ethnicity is exatly the same as unfairly suspecting somebody of being a “shady character” because of their ethnicity: in other words, murdering tens of thousands of children with intent because of their race, is for you morally the same as unfairly suspecting somebody of bad deeds because of their race.
You’re making my my point about Nazi-mindset.
Given that the title of the article includes “suspends arms deliveries to Israel” I was presuming OP was surprised that there is racism in Germany and not Germany is just like the Nazis. Foolishly I forgot that Israeli propaganda loves to equate Arab resistance with the Holocaust. So obviously to an Israeli Germany by sending aid to UNRWA and suspending arms deliveries is just like the Nazis.
I do apologize.
Fair enough.
You’re not the first person who reads my mentions of Nazism in regards to this subject and interprets it as a Zionist using that as a nastier variant of the “anti-semitism” slander to criticize anti-Genocide positions, rather than a Humanist (or at least somebody who tries to be one) drawing parallels between the Israeli Genocide and the Propaganda for it, and the worst Genocide of the 20th century and the Propaganda for it.
It’s really my fault as I did not make it clear I think this step by Metz is likely de facto smoke & mirrors (same bullshit as what the “stopping sending weapons to Israel” from Carney in Canada turned out to be) and even if it’s not it’s too little and far, far too late.
My apologies for not being clear enough about that in my original post.
Conservative lawmakers are furious about everything. All the time. It’s their trademark. If they weren’t furious, they would be furious over not being furious.
Won’t someone think of the children?!
Who’s gonna kill the Palestinian children if Germany doesn’t supply weapons?
The thing is: Germany doesn’t, for years that is (yes, the actual deliveries are public 😉)… Unless you pretend that air-defense, air-defense corvetttes, torpedos or submarines (all ongoing contracts for many years, too) are somehow used against Palestinians.
They do, they don’t, it’s all the same smoke screen to keep you occupied with nonsense.
Friedrich Merz did not decide or change anything. He ist just throwing out another diversion for you, so you won’t discuss the obvious corruption and destruction of social systems while enriching himself and his rich buddies.
Germany is supplying “Anti-Tank” Rocket launchers, for which videos exists of IDF soldiers blowing up houses in Gaza with them. The submarines are used as part of the patrol to enact the sea blockade against Gaza, which is crucial for starving the people in Gaza to death and kill fishermen trying to fish near the coast. Israeli Merkava tanks run on tank engines and gear boxes by German manufacturers. Without these neither the onslaught in Gaza, nor the invasion of Syria would be possible. Other deliveries included artillery ammunition. But also other “gear” like helmets, plate carriers, communication equipment… they all serve an invading and occupying army and are thereby part of the attack.
I agree that it is part of a smoke screen. But the smokescreen already starts in claiming these systems would be deadly or the claim that they would suspend systems that could be used in Gaza, but continue to supply systems that could be used elsewhere. First of all the distinction cannot be made outside of a “pinky promise” and even if it could, Israel is illegally occupying the Westbank and parts of Syria and parts of Lebanon and soon following up probably with Egypt and Jordan to create a zone, where they can ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from Gaza and the Westbank to.
In that sense even “air-defense” is part of an invasion army, and serves to continue invading, rather than the alleged “self-defense”
Germany is supplying “Anti-Tank” Rocket launchers
The weapon you are ralking about it a German/Israeli/Singaporean co-development with Israel having its own production.
The submarines are used as part of the patrol to enact the sea blockade against Gaza
Sea blockade against which countries trying to deliver anything to Gaza exactly? Oh…
Other deliveries included artillery ammunition.
No. The actual deliveries are well documented. “only four licences for ‘war weapons’ have been granted: two for training ammunition, one for propellant charges for test purposes, and one concerning the export of 3000 portable anti-tank weapons”. That’s the total amount since October 2023 btw… And nearly 2 years later we are still talking about stuff that isn’t real.
And speaking about stuff that isn’t real… trying to pretend that there are no rockets and missile still shot at Israel and talking about “alleged” self-defense is objectively wrong.
So congratulation. You invalidated actual arguments about dual use stuff like electronics, communication as well as armor to parrot bullshit.
And then people wonder why the discussion is not going anywhere… yet they don’t seem to ever be able to actually talk fact without showing where their talking points are coming from. Thus they enable stupid political symbolism like the shit Merz’ is sputtering here.
Israeli Merkava tanks use German made engines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkava https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTU_Friedrichshafen
Too little too late, and yet the CDU and CSU are still throwing a hissy fit over it … goddamn ghouls.
