I mean touché but the point is it’s extremely uncomfortable, on a daily basis, for several hours/day. And you arrive at work sopping wet from sweat or rain or both and stinking to high hell.
Sorry, bikes are cool. I like the idea of microcars better. But really I like the idea of 25MPH speed limits even better. Drive whatever you want, just do it slowly and safely, and while polluting so much less.
I used to live somewhere where driving was mandatory for commuting anywhere. I was a huge car guy, had a nice car and enjoyed driving. The day I moved to a city where public transport and walking gets me everywhere I need to go I haven’t driven since. notably the weather is much worse where I live now; hasn’t made an impact at all. You don’t know how bad it is and how good it can be until you’ve experienced it. Cars are a drain, they embody convenience but they achieve the opposite.
notably the weather is much worse where I live now; hasn’t made an impact at all.
How could that possibly be true? Getting dumped on with rain has no impact ? Freezing your balls off has no impact ? Overheating to the point of near-death has no impact ? You’re just lying.
You don’t know how bad it is and how good it can be until you’ve experienced it.
I experience it all the time. Mostly recreationally. It fuckin sucks. Especially the heat and the humidity (often from rain or post-rain).
Yeah it doesn’t, just dress for the occasion. Can always catch a tram instead of walking too.
If you’re living in a car dependent city you’re not experiencing what it’s like to live somewhere that isn’t. It has nothing to do with taking a recreational walk. Everything I want to go to is within walking distance. It’s designed to be accessible year round.
When a city is designed to be habitable for people instead of traversable by cars these problems you’re scared of don’t exist. You don’t have to take my word for it either. If you think I’m lying to you for some reason have a look at the statistics. Commuting data is easily accessible for specific cities, same as weather data. Do people who live in places that are walkable, have good public transport or have good cycling infrastructure drive? No they don’t. It’s not because they’re stupid. It’s because driving is the inferior mode of commuting when other options exist.
“dressing for the occasion” is an impact in itself.
If you dress for rain and it’s hot, you’re gonna have a really bad time. There’s no way to keep air flowing in and water out.
When a city is designed to be habitable for people instead of traversable by cars these problems you’re scared of don’t exist.
These problems have absolutely nothing to do with transit. They have to do with weather. No amount of “habitable city” is going to turn down/up the temperature or make it stop raining.
If you think I’m lying to you for some reason have a look at the statistics.
What kind of statistics do you think are going to disprove the fucking weather? Or my lived experiences sweating my fucking balls off?
Okay there’s a lot here. I guess I’ll start with the raincoat thing. I’ve got two that are perfectly comfortable to wear in the summer. They are incredibly lightweight and can be unzipped for more airflow. In winter the key is to wear a jumper underneath.
What I’m trying to show you isn’t that the weather doesn’t exist, it’s that it doesn’t matter. The city I live in I don’t have to spend more than 5 mins under sunlight or rain for each hour of commuting. The sidewalks are covered, and the tram stations have shelters. The only time I’ll be in direct sunlight or rain is while I’m having to cross a road. This is a direct way in which city design alters the impact the weather has on me. Not by changing the weather but by shielding people from it.
Another thing is that car dependent infrastructure, such as roads and parking lots, are massive heat sinks that absorb massive amounts of solar energy and continuously radiate it as thermal energy. In this way car dependent city design actually does change the weather and make cities hotter.
Going back to the city I live in, all of my commutes are sub 30 minutes. Dentist, hospital, work, university, general store, hardware store; you name it, I can get there. This means that any weather related impacts are severely reduced by merit of not actually being outside all that often. Even during a 30min commute that will be time spent in an enclosed air conditioned space such as a tram or train. Using the ratio from earlier I’m realistically only gonna have to put up with 150 seconds of rain on the worst of days. This is because of the way my city is designed, it directly affects my weather exposure.
The statistical analysis I’m referring to is looking at a city with bad weather such as Oslo which the video referred to. Confirming for yourself what the weather is like there, cold and often snowy. And then checking with commuter statistics to see that yes despite the conditions, it doesn’t stop people from commuting on public transport, bicycle or just their feet.
I’m not lying to you. I’m not trying to deceive you. I’m just saying that as someone who lives in a walkable city, I don’t get rained on and I don’t sweat my balls off. This stands in direct contrast to what you’ve said your experience is. I’m trying to show you that the reason for this is because you live in a city that isn’t designed to be walkable, while I do. The weather doesn’t matter, your city just isn’t designed to handle it. This is the fault of car centric urban planning.
None of them are “perfectly comfortable” when it’s >100*F outside with 90% humidity. I don’t understand why you completely glossed over this part of the comment except to strawman.
The city I live in I don’t have to spend more than 5 mins under sunlight or rain for each hour of commuting
I’ve never seen that anywhere.
car dependent infrastructure, such as roads and parking lots, are massive heat sinks that absorb massive amounts of solar energy and continuously radiate it as thermal energy
I am aware of the urban heat island effect. It’s still very fucking hot and uncomfortable riding MTB on dirt. And that’s completely ignoring the idea of just, removing all of the pavement from the city?
The statistical analysis I’m referring to is looking at a city with bad weather such as Oslo which the video referred to. Confirming for yourself what the weather is like there, cold and often snowy. And then checking with commuter statistics to see that yes despite the conditions, it doesn’t affect how people commute.
This is exactly the kind of nonsense I’m talking about. Showing images of people riding bikes and then going “see, no one cares about the weather!” is completely proposterous, and, dare I say, lazy. Because there are actually people in those same videos in their cars. And certainly many of them would prefer to not be outside, given the option.
I would love to see statistics that show that no one cares about how cold it is when they’re outside. Because that makes absolutely no sense. People in my area already complain about the cold when commuting in their cars. Even if it did, it completely ignores hot and humid/rainy.
I’m not lying to you…the weather doesn’t matter, your city just isn’t designed to handle it
I don’t believe you. You’ve yet to explain how the city can be designed to protect you from hot or cold.
It’s “lazy” not to want to ride in the rain, hot and cold weather?
Just because some people are okay with it doesn’t mean everyone is. People die in hot and cold weather where I live.
Nobody dies in cars
I mean touché but the point is it’s extremely uncomfortable, on a daily basis, for several hours/day. And you arrive at work sopping wet from sweat or rain or both and stinking to high hell.
Sorry, bikes are cool. I like the idea of microcars better. But really I like the idea of 25MPH speed limits even better. Drive whatever you want, just do it slowly and safely, and while polluting so much less.
I used to live somewhere where driving was mandatory for commuting anywhere. I was a huge car guy, had a nice car and enjoyed driving. The day I moved to a city where public transport and walking gets me everywhere I need to go I haven’t driven since. notably the weather is much worse where I live now; hasn’t made an impact at all. You don’t know how bad it is and how good it can be until you’ve experienced it. Cars are a drain, they embody convenience but they achieve the opposite.
How could that possibly be true? Getting dumped on with rain has no impact ? Freezing your balls off has no impact ? Overheating to the point of near-death has no impact ? You’re just lying.
I experience it all the time. Mostly recreationally. It fuckin sucks. Especially the heat and the humidity (often from rain or post-rain).
Yeah it doesn’t, just dress for the occasion. Can always catch a tram instead of walking too.
If you’re living in a car dependent city you’re not experiencing what it’s like to live somewhere that isn’t. It has nothing to do with taking a recreational walk. Everything I want to go to is within walking distance. It’s designed to be accessible year round.
When a city is designed to be habitable for people instead of traversable by cars these problems you’re scared of don’t exist. You don’t have to take my word for it either. If you think I’m lying to you for some reason have a look at the statistics. Commuting data is easily accessible for specific cities, same as weather data. Do people who live in places that are walkable, have good public transport or have good cycling infrastructure drive? No they don’t. It’s not because they’re stupid. It’s because driving is the inferior mode of commuting when other options exist.
“dressing for the occasion” is an impact in itself.
If you dress for rain and it’s hot, you’re gonna have a really bad time. There’s no way to keep air flowing in and water out.
These problems have absolutely nothing to do with transit. They have to do with weather. No amount of “habitable city” is going to turn down/up the temperature or make it stop raining.
What kind of statistics do you think are going to disprove the fucking weather? Or my lived experiences sweating my fucking balls off?
Okay there’s a lot here. I guess I’ll start with the raincoat thing. I’ve got two that are perfectly comfortable to wear in the summer. They are incredibly lightweight and can be unzipped for more airflow. In winter the key is to wear a jumper underneath.
What I’m trying to show you isn’t that the weather doesn’t exist, it’s that it doesn’t matter. The city I live in I don’t have to spend more than 5 mins under sunlight or rain for each hour of commuting. The sidewalks are covered, and the tram stations have shelters. The only time I’ll be in direct sunlight or rain is while I’m having to cross a road. This is a direct way in which city design alters the impact the weather has on me. Not by changing the weather but by shielding people from it.
Another thing is that car dependent infrastructure, such as roads and parking lots, are massive heat sinks that absorb massive amounts of solar energy and continuously radiate it as thermal energy. In this way car dependent city design actually does change the weather and make cities hotter.
Going back to the city I live in, all of my commutes are sub 30 minutes. Dentist, hospital, work, university, general store, hardware store; you name it, I can get there. This means that any weather related impacts are severely reduced by merit of not actually being outside all that often. Even during a 30min commute that will be time spent in an enclosed air conditioned space such as a tram or train. Using the ratio from earlier I’m realistically only gonna have to put up with 150 seconds of rain on the worst of days. This is because of the way my city is designed, it directly affects my weather exposure.
The statistical analysis I’m referring to is looking at a city with bad weather such as Oslo which the video referred to. Confirming for yourself what the weather is like there, cold and often snowy. And then checking with commuter statistics to see that yes despite the conditions, it doesn’t stop people from commuting on public transport, bicycle or just their feet.
I’m not lying to you. I’m not trying to deceive you. I’m just saying that as someone who lives in a walkable city, I don’t get rained on and I don’t sweat my balls off. This stands in direct contrast to what you’ve said your experience is. I’m trying to show you that the reason for this is because you live in a city that isn’t designed to be walkable, while I do. The weather doesn’t matter, your city just isn’t designed to handle it. This is the fault of car centric urban planning.
None of them are “perfectly comfortable” when it’s >100*F outside with 90% humidity. I don’t understand why you completely glossed over this part of the comment except to strawman.
I’ve never seen that anywhere.
I am aware of the urban heat island effect. It’s still very fucking hot and uncomfortable riding MTB on dirt. And that’s completely ignoring the idea of just, removing all of the pavement from the city?
This is exactly the kind of nonsense I’m talking about. Showing images of people riding bikes and then going “see, no one cares about the weather!” is completely proposterous, and, dare I say, lazy. Because there are actually people in those same videos in their cars. And certainly many of them would prefer to not be outside, given the option.
I would love to see statistics that show that no one cares about how cold it is when they’re outside. Because that makes absolutely no sense. People in my area already complain about the cold when commuting in their cars. Even if it did, it completely ignores hot and humid/rainy.
I don’t believe you. You’ve yet to explain how the city can be designed to protect you from hot or cold.