• finitebanjo@piefed.world
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    8 hours ago

    I don’t include procreation, no matter how “healthy and proper” a relationship, on the same level as noticeable impact or becoming a part of recorded culture, nor even at the level of minor community improvement.

    I’m a consequentialist, short term satisfaction or pleasures are of zero inherent value unless they aid in the production of longterm gains or advancements for all people.

    It’s almost like people expect medal for deciding not to use a condom.

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      6 hours ago

      Raising a kid done right is a societal gain/benefit and can help those societal advancements. No one here is asking for a medal but the entire point of empathy at large is a recognition that people experience and feel differently than you do about certain things. That includes children.

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        56 minutes ago

        Raising a kid done right is a societal gain/benefit

        Not true. Even if you assume each and everyone with a professional or doctorate degree help further mankind, roughly 2.2% of the US population I don’t have data for other nations, then you would still have to conclude that the amount of scarcity and damage done to climate and ecosystem is less than their marginal benefit for each individual person.

        Another 16 children are being born every second globally at the moment, the world population is still rising and the consequences continue to get more and more extreme every single moment. The vast majority of those children are going to live and die as a net negative to the tune of >90%.

        I think Empathy is the exact opposite of what you and anon are displaying. Empathy’s root words mean “suffering together” while you ignore the suffering being caused, even self created suffering by judging yourselves negatively, and instead defend irrational instinctual behaviors.