Inside Ukraine's recruiting crisis & how journalist was forced into army at checkpoint as some men hide to avoid war
www.thesun.co.uk
  • ModCen@feddit.ukEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Terrible situation obviously. This part of the article basically sums it up:

    Perhaps, if you have read this far, you have asked yourself what you would do if you were faced with a choice between duty to your country versus self-preservation. It is easy to answer ‘duty’ when it is theoretical and from afar.

    If duty was your answer then you should know Ukraine has an international legion that anyone can join. Many Brits already have. More than 44 have died.

    Ukrainians say they are dying to protect all of Europe from Russia. They would argue the duty is all of ours.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      2 months ago

      Funny how it’s invariably the people who are the furthest away from the fighting that are the most adamant that the war should continue.

      • ModCen@feddit.ukEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I hope Ukrainians can decide for themselves whether they want to continue fighting or not. Also it would be good if each Ukrainian can decide for themselves whether they want to join the army or not.

        It’s obviously a terrible situation though. If Ukrainians don’t fight then the Russian military will probably swallow up Ukraine. If Russia did control Ukraine then maybe Russia would violently crack down on Ukrainians who want democracy for Ukraine - just like Russia harms Russian dissidents (e.g. when Russian authorities poisoned Alexei Navalny).

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          2 months ago

          It’s been clear that Russia was going to win the war from the very start. This was well understood before the war started, here’s what Obama had to say back in 2016:

          Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there. “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.”

          The reality is that the west helped overthrow the legitimate government in Ukraine in a violent coup. An then cynically used Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia. All of that was very openly discussed in US policy papers like this one

          Finally, I have no idea what you’re talking about regarding Navalny given that even Ukrainians say he died of natural causes https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28630

          Also, there is no democracy in Ukraine. It’s ruled by an unelected regime that banned all opposition parties and all independent media. Ukraine is a literal dictatorship that throws its people into war at the behest of the west.

          • ModCen@feddit.ukEnglish
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            2 months ago

            the west helped overthrow the legitimate government in Ukraine in a violent coup

            I think that’s false. It seems that Ukraine’s parliament voted to remove the president at the time. There was violence according to that article, with mostly protesting Ukrainians on the receiving end of it: “On Thursday, the bloodiest day of recent unrest, at least 21 protesters and one policeman died”.

            I have no idea what you’re talking about regarding Navalny given that even Ukrainians say he died of natural causes

            I’m not talking about Navalny’s death. I’m talking about him being poisoned in 2020, a few years before his death. If you don’t know about the case, I recommend reading about it. Navalny pretended to be an FSB officer and he phoned someone who actually worked for the FSB. The real FSB guy admitted on the phone that he was involved in poisoning Navalny.

            there is no democracy in Ukraine. It’s ruled by an unelected regime that banned all opposition parties and all independent media

            Ukraine’s government was elected in 2019, right? I hope they can have new elections as soon as possible. It would be pretty difficult to run new elections right now, given that some big parts of Ukrainian land are currently occupied by the Russian military.

            Ukraine… throws its people into war at the behest of the west.

            I hope nobody is thrown into war. I hope every Ukrainian can freely decide whether to join the military, and maybe that isn’t happening. But really the true problem here is the Russian government, who decided to invade Ukraine. Also I think it’s strange that you appear to be a leftist (having an account on Lemmy.ml), yet your talking points are essentially identical to those from far-right supporters of Russia’s invasion.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              2 months ago

              The coup is well documented, it’s deeply unserious to pretend otherwise at this point

              I’m not talking about Navalny’s death. I’m talking about him being poisoned in 2020, a few years before his death. If you don’t know about the case, I recommend reading about it.

              That whole story is nonsensical. If Russia wanted to poison him, he’d be dead. It’s really that simple. The notion that they tried to poison him, but then for some reason let him fly to Germany requires incredible amounts of credulity to believe.

              Ukraine’s government was elected in 2019, right? I hope they can have new elections as soon as possible. It would be pretty difficult to run new elections right now, given that some big parts of Ukrainian land are currently occupied by the Russian military.

              The regime in Ukraine today has no legal mandate. Period. The idea that Ukraine will ever get the territories that separated from it and joined Russia is not realistic. If that’s your justification for Ukraine to be ruled by a brutal dictatorship, then you clearly don’t care about the people of Ukraine.

              But really the true problem here is the Russian government, who decided to invade Ukraine. Also I think it’s strange that you appear to be a leftist (having an account on Lemmy.ml), yet your talking points are essentially identical to those from far-right supporters of Russia’s invasion.

              No, the true problem is that the west cynically used Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia, and now shameless people such as yourself refuse to acknowledge what you did. No lesser person than the United States Secretary of State has openly admitted that this is a proxy war.

              The only person who’s a far right supporter here is the one who supports the fascist regime in Ukraine that’s doing the bidding of the west.