Pretty disappointing that @iamaqtpie is active on hexbear and says things like:
Please direct any seething that you may wish to do to the struggle session that’s well underway over here.
which reddit considered hate speech 🙄
Also disappointing that hexbear gets to vote federation, while we are left to federate to hexbear without a choice because the admins like the instance. Lame.
It’s clear that sh.itjust.works does not care to get community support in it’s decision making and we are left at the whims of the admins preferences. Isn’t this why most of us left Reddit? Because community say didn’t mean anything?
Hexbear is a Lemmy server that was created about 3 years ago as a new home for the former users of r/chapotraphouse. CTH was banned from reddit because they were openly calling for the deaths of slave owners, which reddit considered hate speech 🙄
Why would you take this out of context, and what is your issue with the whole quote?
technically we were just expressing our support for US military action in the civil war and the song John Brown’s body. Which was an official song of the US army at one point.
We were kicked off for our American patriotism if you think about it
The quote was to establish that the admins personal feelings are involved about the instance.
It is an objective fact that the sub was banned on Reddit for hate speech. The rolling eyes emoji establishes the admins personal feelings on the subject.
Whether the ban is justified or not is irrelevant to my point that SJW does not care to understand what its user base may want.
Whether or not the eye roll is justified is in question when the quote is supposed to emblematic of the admin’s opinions of the instance. Some of our staunchest detractors can admin that “kill slave owners” is not hate speech because “slave owner” is not a protected class. Do you think dismissal of this logic is so outlandish that it must be emblematic of support for our instance? Because I don’t see any other reason to include it.
What are their standards for calling someone a slaveowner? Because if they’re the types I think they are they would include people who clearly don’t belong in that category
Also disappointing that hexbear gets to vote federation, while we are left to federate to hexbear without a choice because the admins like the instance. Lame.
When asked whether they believe their country is democratic, those in China topped the list, with some 83% saying the communist-led People’s Republic was a democracy. A resounding 91% said that democracy is important to them.
But in the U.S., which touts itself as a global beacon of democracy, only 49% of those asked said their country was a democracy. And just over three-quarters of respondents, 76%, said democracy was important.
More democratic than the US. The US has an electoral college system explicitly designed to make electing a president undemocratic. In Korea they vote for each equivalent of a cabinet position instead of letting the president just appoint all of them. https://www.ncnk.org/sites/default/files/DPRK constitution (2019).pdf
If this shocks you, remember that Americans are the most propagandized people in the history of the world
To the degree that Korea isn’t free, it’s is because they’ve spent their entire existence at war with the largest and most powerful global empire in history and have been cut off from international trade.
The US isn’t free because it’s a fascist state. The Korean peninsula isn’t free also because the US is a fascist state.
Now let’s hear your next vapid quip that’s supposed to mean more than objective facts and inarguable history, redditor. I don’t want you to lose even a bit of steam acting like you’re the smartest person in the room while displaying no knowledge about anything.
The citation wasn’t the state, it was the people, or are you going to take such an immensely condescending attitude towards the approximately 1 billion people represented in that survey as believing they live in a democracy?
Oh man if only we could interact with these 1 billion people. If only there wasn’t a firewall keeping them all contained where all their media is run by the state.
That’s a bit of a non-sequitur in this instance don’t you think? We’re not talking about what the name of a place is, but rather how the two countries’ citizenry feel about their respective governments.
The average chinese citizen doesnt recognize feminism or talk about Tiananmen. The average chinese citizen relies on their Baidu feed to tell them everything about the world because the internet is heavily censored. The average chinese dreams of coming to europe to escape china. The average chinese person doesnt evem have access to clean running water. The average chinese doesnt even recognize cantonese as a language because CCP involvement. I dont think anyone should care about what an average chinese citizen thinks.
I pulled all of this out of my ass. Ive lived in china briefly, i wouldnt call it a democracy in any sense. Its a democratic socialist dream(heavy on the socialist).
You’re welcome to join hexbear, where this federation decision was voted on and we tried to make a space for people who are tired of the fediverse too.
That’s a highly suspicious use of a ban that I would like admin feedback on.
While your take about decision making is slightly wrong…
We’re federating with everything by default and use blocklists. Hexbear is fedetating with nobody by default and uses allowlists.
Basically, no action has been made by local admins for this new federation to happen.
We never had to defederate them before because they weren’t fedetating with us.
The next step would be discussion then vote in the agora. I expect defederation to take a bit more than a week if the process hasn’t changed too much since last time.
That said, your comment isn’t anywhere near ban worthy and is a really bad optics on whichever mod was involved in that.
It’s clear that sh.itjust.works does not care to get community support in it’s decision making and we are left at the whims of the admins preferences. Isn’t this why most of us left Reddit? Because community say didn’t mean anything?
Make your own instance then, or move to another. That’s the lemmy solution.
Lemmy isn’t about having each instance be its own democracy, lemmy is about having lots and lots and lots of instances forming one massive network. These will always be privately owned by the people hosting them, so it’s ultimately up to them how they run their shop. However, the barrier to entry is relatively low, so you can quite easily host your own and be on exactly the same footing.
If you want to talk about community, then that’s literally what lemmy has instead of subreddits. That’s where the users make the rules. Granted, there aren’t sufficient mod tools to properly deal with anything - maybe when they introduce user-level instance blocking (coming soon ^TM ) they’ll also give us community-level instance blocking.
Pretty disappointing that @iamaqtpie is active on hexbear and says things like:
Also disappointing that hexbear gets to vote federation, while we are left to federate to hexbear without a choice because the admins like the instance. Lame.
It’s clear that sh.itjust.works does not care to get community support in it’s decision making and we are left at the whims of the admins preferences. Isn’t this why most of us left Reddit? Because community say didn’t mean anything?
here’s the whole quote, emphasis mine:
Why would you take this out of context, and what is your issue with the whole quote?
technically we were just expressing our support for US military action in the civil war and the song John Brown’s body. Which was an official song of the US army at one point.
We were kicked off for our American patriotism if you think about it
The quote was to establish that the admins personal feelings are involved about the instance.
It is an objective fact that the sub was banned on Reddit for hate speech. The rolling eyes emoji establishes the admins personal feelings on the subject.
Whether the ban is justified or not is irrelevant to my point that SJW does not care to understand what its user base may want.
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Slavers do (and did) deserve to die though, it’s not hate speech it’s just true
kill all slavers. every last one.
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Whether or not the eye roll is justified is in question when the quote is supposed to emblematic of the admin’s opinions of the instance. Some of our staunchest detractors can admin that “kill slave owners” is not hate speech because “slave owner” is not a protected class. Do you think dismissal of this logic is so outlandish that it must be emblematic of support for our instance? Because I don’t see any other reason to include it.
What are their standards for calling someone a slaveowner? Because if they’re the types I think they are they would include people who clearly don’t belong in that category
the posts were often some variant of “John Brown did nothing wrong,” so, actual slave owners
We are just better at democracy then you, sweety.
China isn’t democratic
https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
Ya I will take the people of china’s word on this one.
yes and North Korea is democratic because it says they are.
China is not North Korea.
It took less then 2 minutes from my post for you to reply. You clearly didn’t even open the link. You just instantly changed the subject matter. Lol
Ah, hexbear users still struggling with federation, so cute!
Post times are different per instance, my he/him, I looked through your article, and it didn’t really wow me.
China is authoritarian, filled with mass propaganda and nationalism, of course they’re going to think they’re great.
I literally got a notification when they replied. in real time…
I know when I made my comment… less then 2 minutes before I got a notification…
Tell me more about how the lemmy works. I have only been here 4 years.
Good bye, agent.
oh SHIT. THEY’RE ONTO ME.
Yo we got that too in America.
Oh every country has it!
More democratic than the US. The US has an electoral college system explicitly designed to make electing a president undemocratic. In Korea they vote for each equivalent of a cabinet position instead of letting the president just appoint all of them. https://www.ncnk.org/sites/default/files/DPRK constitution (2019).pdf
If this shocks you, remember that Americans are the most propagandized people in the history of the world
Way to compare one of the least free countries with… one of the least free countries.
now do Japan.
To the degree that Korea isn’t free, it’s is because they’ve spent their entire existence at war with the largest and most powerful global empire in history and have been cut off from international trade.
The US isn’t free because it’s a fascist state. The Korean peninsula isn’t free also because the US is a fascist state.
Now let’s hear your next vapid quip that’s supposed to mean more than objective facts and inarguable history, redditor. I don’t want you to lose even a bit of steam acting like you’re the smartest person in the room while displaying no knowledge about anything.
So the US is fascist, but China isn’t fascist? How’s that lil’ diddie work?
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yes, the united states is not a democracy either, well done
Whataboutism
oh you not gonna whataboutism mentioning the US?
Also whataboutism
thanks pal
The citation wasn’t the state, it was the people, or are you going to take such an immensely condescending attitude towards the approximately 1 billion people represented in that survey as believing they live in a democracy?
Oh man if only we could interact with these 1 billion people. If only there wasn’t a firewall keeping them all contained where all their media is run by the state.
150 million tourists visit China yearly…
hey, respond to the vpn comment you made
Anyone can download a VPN it’s literally free on the App store. 👍
Aw sweet!
now why do we need a VPN to access Chinese Internet? 🤔
That’s a bit of a non-sequitur in this instance don’t you think? We’re not talking about what the name of a place is, but rather how the two countries’ citizenry feel about their respective governments.
So isn’t it good that the US people don’t trust their government?
I wish that US people didn’t trust their government, especially when their government tells them that other countries are pure evil and need bombing.
do you wish Chinese people do the same?
The average chinese citizen doesnt recognize feminism or talk about Tiananmen. The average chinese citizen relies on their Baidu feed to tell them everything about the world because the internet is heavily censored. The average chinese dreams of coming to europe to escape china. The average chinese person doesnt evem have access to clean running water. The average chinese doesnt even recognize cantonese as a language because CCP involvement. I dont think anyone should care about what an average chinese citizen thinks.
I pulled all of this out of my ass. Ive lived in china briefly, i wouldnt call it a democracy in any sense. Its a democratic socialist dream(heavy on the socialist).
You’re welcome to join hexbear, where this federation decision was voted on and we tried to make a space for people who are tired of the fediverse too.
LMAO I got banned for this post
No reason given. Just “mod Banned”
That’s a highly suspicious use of a ban that I would like admin feedback on.
While your take about decision making is slightly wrong…
We’re federating with everything by default and use blocklists. Hexbear is fedetating with nobody by default and uses allowlists.
Basically, no action has been made by local admins for this new federation to happen.
We never had to defederate them before because they weren’t fedetating with us.
The next step would be discussion then vote in the agora. I expect defederation to take a bit more than a week if the process hasn’t changed too much since last time.
That said, your comment isn’t anywhere near ban worthy and is a really bad optics on whichever mod was involved in that.
Looks like I got unbanned and my alt banned
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We are so back.
Make your own instance then, or move to another. That’s the lemmy solution.
Lemmy isn’t about having each instance be its own democracy, lemmy is about having lots and lots and lots of instances forming one massive network. These will always be privately owned by the people hosting them, so it’s ultimately up to them how they run their shop. However, the barrier to entry is relatively low, so you can quite easily host your own and be on exactly the same footing.
If you want to talk about community, then that’s literally what lemmy has instead of subreddits. That’s where the users make the rules. Granted, there aren’t sufficient mod tools to properly deal with anything - maybe when they introduce user-level instance blocking (coming soon ^TM ) they’ll also give us community-level instance blocking.
Nah I’m just gonna leave this instance and go to one where I don’t see you pedantic pricks
Good riddance.
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bad take, we are voting right now in agora about this. Are you ignorant of it or just shit stirring?