You know I completely missed which community this was. Let’s just agree that your perspective and mine will never align on certain topics and leave it on an amicable note.
I think placing the DPRK as the only place you’d want to visit less than the US, is pretty fucked up. I’ll put now, if it helps you be willing to talk to me, that I don’t “support” the DPRK (whatever that means), and think it’s a fairly normal liberal democracy (though as an outsider I’m rather limited on what info I can access on the DPRK). You don’t have to think the DPRK is “socialist” to recognise that they’ve been subjected to brutal imperialist aggression, are not a worldwide imperialist power like the US is, and generally the only reason I can see for placing them as literally the only country beneath the US is just imperialist propaganda. I think these conversations can get mixed up with conversations about “AES” but it should be important to be able to look at the DPRK as an imperialised country entirely separate to the “AES” discussion, in which context it should be quite obvious how it’s fucked up to compare them to the country that invaded them and killed a huge portion of the population.
I have nothing but sympathy for the country as it was the victim of imperialist games being.played by much larger nations. However I am already outspokenly critical of the government of my own country where some legal safety nets exist to protect me from government reprisals. I am not the sort of person who could easily remain uncritical of an authoritarian regime, visiting would likely be bad for my health.
I am not basing this on being propagandised to or swallowing a line, I am basing it on a series of conversations I had with a Korean I found sincere and believable, certainly to a greater extent than randoms on here.
I have deep seated reservations with the Kim family, I don’t blame the people of North Korea for them but I personally would not visit without radical social change.
Ironically this is EXACTLY the stance I take on the USA and the Trump family, which I am sure a lot of people in this community would agree with.
My point was not about the presence or lack thereof of “authoritarianism”, but the comparison of the DPRK to the US. If it were only about “authoritarianism” then there are plenty of other countries very widely considered “authoritarian”.
Ironically this is EXACTLY the stance I take on the USA and the Trump family, which I am sure a lot of people in this community would agree with.
I think you’re rather missing the point as USAmericans do participate heavily in US imperialism, and reap the rewards of US imperialism. There is no North Korean imperialism to speak of, on the other hand.
Why wouldn’t you want to visit North Korea?
You know I completely missed which community this was. Let’s just agree that your perspective and mine will never align on certain topics and leave it on an amicable note.
I think placing the DPRK as the only place you’d want to visit less than the US, is pretty fucked up. I’ll put now, if it helps you be willing to talk to me, that I don’t “support” the DPRK (whatever that means), and think it’s a fairly normal liberal democracy (though as an outsider I’m rather limited on what info I can access on the DPRK). You don’t have to think the DPRK is “socialist” to recognise that they’ve been subjected to brutal imperialist aggression, are not a worldwide imperialist power like the US is, and generally the only reason I can see for placing them as literally the only country beneath the US is just imperialist propaganda. I think these conversations can get mixed up with conversations about “AES” but it should be important to be able to look at the DPRK as an imperialised country entirely separate to the “AES” discussion, in which context it should be quite obvious how it’s fucked up to compare them to the country that invaded them and killed a huge portion of the population.
I have nothing but sympathy for the country as it was the victim of imperialist games being.played by much larger nations. However I am already outspokenly critical of the government of my own country where some legal safety nets exist to protect me from government reprisals. I am not the sort of person who could easily remain uncritical of an authoritarian regime, visiting would likely be bad for my health.
I am not basing this on being propagandised to or swallowing a line, I am basing it on a series of conversations I had with a Korean I found sincere and believable, certainly to a greater extent than randoms on here.
I have deep seated reservations with the Kim family, I don’t blame the people of North Korea for them but I personally would not visit without radical social change.
Ironically this is EXACTLY the stance I take on the USA and the Trump family, which I am sure a lot of people in this community would agree with.
My point was not about the presence or lack thereof of “authoritarianism”, but the comparison of the DPRK to the US. If it were only about “authoritarianism” then there are plenty of other countries very widely considered “authoritarian”.
I think you’re rather missing the point as USAmericans do participate heavily in US imperialism, and reap the rewards of US imperialism. There is no North Korean imperialism to speak of, on the other hand.