Eh … now you don’t know what to think huh? 🤔🤪😆

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    and has been the single most destructive force to the fabric of Canada in modern history. He’s cutting deeper than any conservative could ever hope to, as is he privatizing and outsourcing profits.

    Lol no. Have you actually been following the policy, and what the Conservatives are suggesting instead?

    He’s definitely moved things to the center (it was a change election, PP would have won otherwise), but on the US file he’s doing about as well as anyone could hope for, and hasn’t actually cut much - literally just civil servants. All the social programs are fine. Meanwhile PP’s life’s mission is to kill the CBC.

    Most of the carbon tax is still there. There’s a new housing program. He just tricked Alberta into raising it’s carbon tax. And it goes on.

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      but on the US file he’s doing about as well as anyone could hope for, and hasn’t actually cut much

      Ok bud you are dreaming…

      He has given trump everything the idiot king wanted (short of the 51st State) and received nothing in return… and yes, he has cut the public service and services in general, deeper than Harper did and back then that was a disaster we have not fully recovered from

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      “Hasn’t cut much?” He’s cut everything. Of course the conservatives have been forced to promise deeper cuts than the Liberals because the Liberals occupied all their policy positions.

      No, cancelling taxes, cutting government across the board, putting the private sector in charge of housing and privatizing pipelines isn’t “moving to the centre”.

      Guessing you’re a Liberal…because you’re repeating their PR.

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        Literally, it’s just public servants. Read the damn budget - or a summary of the damn budget - if you actually care about the truth.

        I could point out the gaps in the plan there are, to prove I’m not shilling, but I’m guessing you’d just see that grace as weakness. I have better things to do than that kind of exchange.

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          Literally, it’s just public servants.

          Oh I see… fuck them then, amiright?

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          I’m not sure what you mean by “just public servants”. I mean…that’s not true…but, yes, austerity governments tend to salivate when they look at salaries as a line-item, and cut labour…because it’s the biggest and bluntest instrument you can show cuts with. But less people means less services - as well as less citizens making a decent wage means a lower bar for the industry. Just take housing…promises promises on units…but actual cuts to the ministry of housing…and his plan, by all appearance, is to infuse the private sector with tax dollars, offload services to the private sector, and provide bubble protection to its investors: when these government jobs are transferred to the private sector, they will come with wage reductions, reduced labour protections, much less transparency and accountability, less customer service, and more AI & automation. With additional cuts to veterans affairs and the CRA (all seeing the same effect as staff cuts do Canadian labour health)…this budget would be indistinguishable from a conservative budget…if it weren’t for the deep 10-15% cuts (I predict those will expand as they get drunk on how it makes their budgets look), which sets it “above” (below!) conservative budgets.

          When I said you were speaking like a liberal it was in response to “tricking” Alberta into increasing the carbon tax. The only time I’ve seen the lead buried that deeply is in LPC press material and from its surrogates. Because, as we’ve seen in conservative projects, the perversely named “Build Canada Act” is an “abundance” act that removes environmental/indigenous consultation and regional sovereignty….all while privatizing the project. Yes, there’s lip service and no concrete plan to share royalties with the indigenous lands they pillage - an excellent way to drive a wedge between the IA councils and hereditary councils. There’s always been a form of taxation on tar sands exports…so describing the deal that they worked out (what amounts to an updated royalties deal - it’s dubious the math will math into an increase for Canada) as “tricking” Alberta is just incorrect. Canada is paying for a gift to Alberta and the private sector, for very little return…is the accurate headline.

          Trudeau, for as much of a neoliberal as he was, traded boutique service expansions off with his private-public partnerships. Trudeau wanted to increase the capital gains tax and nationalize a pipeline. Trudeau had pet projects like equity and safe drinking water. Trudeau was still nudging Canada right, at large - but at least it wasn’t a disaster. Describing Carney as moving Canada toward the centre is absurd, considering what he’s actually doing. All of Trudeaus trade-offs and pet projects are gone…and it’s all austerity and cynicism now. If these are our supposed liberals…wait til we see how the party in waiting has to reposition themselves to the right of them: yea, what Pollievre is currently virtue signalling to his Rebel News subscribers is absolutely terrifying…but it’s only possible because Carney made many of his previous election promises come true.

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      “Moved things to the center” is a subjective statement, but everyone can agree he has objectively moved things far to the right of where they had been.

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        Yes. Trudeau was tickling up against the NDP there, and probably had little problem passing their policies. Carney is a different beast. He’s passionate about the environment and wants the government in on homebuilding, but he’s also a techbro and seems to want trickledown-type policies regarding the rich.

        The thing is, PP is so far off to the right there’s still a ton of headroom in between.

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          “Had little problem passing their policies”? That ridiculous. We had a snap election because he didn’t want to pass their policies…got dragged kicking and screaming into watered down versions…and eventually had his government prematurely removed because he wouldn’t.

          Carney is not passionate about the environment. He literally passed a bill that allows the private sector to ignore environmental regulation so they could build a pipeline, and he cancelled most of Trdueau’s environmental policy.

          You don’t seem to understand they Carney is occupying the space Pollieve used to occupy, which forced Pierre to have even more extreme policy, and forced the NDP into oblivion because they abandoned their voters and tried to occupy the old Liberal space.

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          He’s passionate about the environment

          LOL OMG… he gutted all environmental portfolio we had, sad and weak as it was anyway

          The thing is, PP is so far off to the right there’s still a ton of headroom in between.

          This we agree with but I think Canadians deserve better than “slightly less than the worst possible PM”

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            Right? This isn’t team sports…the conservatives losing is good…but the liberals winning isn’t.

            We have to pay attention to what’s actually going on…which has been a continuous slide to the right since…and this is going to enrage Liberals…but since Mulroney who was the last Prime Minister (as abysmal as he was for his trade deals and social policy etc) who actually cared about using taxation as a tool to pay for things: like it or not the GST was good for Canada (broadly speaking, I would have much preferred the existing mechanisms been used, rather than an overlay added that was a pretext for the removal of corporate and luxury taxes).