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    Did Trump end any war ? No. Is he trying to start a war? Yes. Will the USA citizens wake up and throw out Trump? No, never.

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      USA Citizens have no process to throw him out. Only Congress or the senate can.

      As for raising up and revolting. That will be as effective as errm. Let’s say “using a tiny navy to support oil tankers against the worlds biggest navy” IE it just looks like a protest. Note his move to send red state national guards into blue state cities. Dispite their violence crime being lower then red states. And his call to call any protesters terrorist’s.

      It could be argued Civil war is just a matter of a change of words.

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        USA Citizens have no process to throw him out and blablablablabla excuses as always!

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            History tells us that it’s more complicated.

            In the Russian revolution the Tsar sent his soldiers to stop the Bolsheviks and it turned them against him. Soldiers don’t like being told to kill their own people, even when they’re in open revolt. Race makes this more complicated, but in a lot of different ways that are hard to predict. I’d expect desertions (and, eventually, fraggings) if Trump actually ordered the troops to open fire.

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              Remember kids, it is fully patriotic to frag fascists that are issuing illegal orders. Might not be legal, per se, but it is patriotic and moral.

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    This is the game Trump wants them to play. The should get their client-countries and allied neighbors to do this for them. Build pipelines or transport by rail to ports in other SA countries. He might like that too, but its harder for him to escalate like-so.

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      the united states has re-inserted itself to interfere in the elections of all of the neighboring countries in the last few years (and painfully obviously so this time around). only brazil has successfully defended itself (so far), so the incoming administrations will be hostile to venezuela.

      but the point is moot since colombia is the only neighboring country whose geography & development lends itself towards pipeline/transport, but the interior of the country is controlled by paramilitaries that have been fostered by the united states since the days of the iran-contra.

      also, this status quo won’t change since brazil is energy independent, so it doesn’t need venezuela’s oil anyways and it’s still a capitalist country that can’t block american election interference forever.

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        Venezuela borders Brazil, which has deep-sea ports itself and borders Peru, which is getting its own mega-port. Technically, a line down to the Rio Negro River would be sufficient on the Brazil side; Might require dredging in some spots, but its average depth is more than deep enough for the largest tanker-ships, and its wide-enough to fit more than a dozen-abreast.

        The US is playing a stupid, stupid game. Committing acts of terrorism and piracy on the high-seas. I don’t want the Amazon contaminated, but should it happen, its not Venezuela or Brazil to blame.

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          it’s not that brazil CAN’T trade oil with venezuela; it’s that it will take more time than they have before the war starts to trade in this way.

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    Nice, I wonder who’s going to shoot first or at all? Taking an unarmed boat is one thing, but the next ones might have backup.

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      Kegsbreath is deadset on being a warmongering piece of shit. I have no doubt he will order the first strike upon the Venezuelan Navy, covering it up somehow, making it look like they started it, or whatever other weasley tactic the nazi fuck can muster.

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        Even simpler, they will send helicopter with soldiers to seize the tanker, so the Venezuelan navy ship will have the choice to shot it down or not. If not, massive propaganda L, if yes, war “started by Venezuela” even though using armed response against piracy attempt is perfectly legal according to basically every maritime law.

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          To avoid that, i imagine they would post armed men on the tanker itself. Perhaps post signs, in english, at the ingresses that state that any gunshots on the deck of an oil tanker could result in the destruction of the entire vessel.