The season’s ending was pretty disappointing (https://hexbear.net/comment/6743863)
I wonder if Manousos figures out that he can disable the plurb through outbursts and just keeps doing that to one plurb’d node and Carol would have to stop him. If this plot ends up happening I’d be disappointed because I just came up with it in 30 seconds.
Bravo Vince collecting the apple check to do whatever he wants with a sci-fi show that can basically magic any scenario he wants out of thin air and be patted on the back for it.
Also Carol is also just like Diabaté (French speaking dude with the air force one) and only stops when she realizes that she can’t treat the plurb as her own sexual fantasy and slaves.
Manousos is goated only because he envisions a world where the virus is cured. Diabaté is also great because he shares little to nothing about himself and gets to learn a ton from the plurb without them suspecting him (and is actually trying to find a solution to the windfall thing).
Carol shooting at manousos with a shotgun got me heated, white people will always ruin the day.
In any case, I don’t know what angle the show is going for. I guess people called it when it became a christian “lets save the world” type story by someone who only sees the world through ideology.
manousos is a fucking libertarian moron whose entire worldview is immediately exposed as inconsistent when he’s like “okay they’re just better off dead” like okay you can’t take a towel from a rack without leaving a tip but you can just kill all the people? ok guy
The show doesn’t make that inconsistent when Carol finds out that they’re attempting to send the virus to other planets, or that this virus is a result of previous instances of the virus attempting to spread, or that the virus is only really effective on human-like animals that have the capacity to reverse engineer the transmission.
You can kill the entire plurb just by screaming at them for long enough and if there was no way to reverse it that was feasible or that time was running out on the finite lifespans of the unplurbed then killing them all would protect future human-like inhabitants.
It also doesn’t help that manousos is the only adult who doesn’t fuck the pluribus (whose infected individuals cannot consent). Or the fact that the Pluribus can just sexually assault you (kissing without consent).
He doesn’t know all of that though and even if he did he still persists in his “oh i can’t stay in this empty bed think of its owner” shit
He can’t sleep in the empty bed because he is offered the empty bed by the hivemind (Indirectly, through Carol) and if he accepts the bed he accepts that they have a right to offer it to him, and he does not accept that they have that right.
I think Jenkins is being a bit reductionist, but I do think his whole worldview is a bit too absolutist. If his goal is really to drive off the alien invader I don’t think most humans would begrudge him stealing their car or sleeping in their empty bed. I think most human, even ones with very rigid worldviews, can make that moral calculus of “okay it’s wrong to steal I guess, but if it’s between me taking gas from this empty gas station and earth being overtaken by an alien invader, I think I know which path I’m taking.”
I get him refusing their direct help because he’s inherently suspect of it, but some of the crap he does just seems like him sticking to private property values religiously.
that’s libertarian nonsense
Is it? Maybe. It certainly fits in some ways. But the hivemind took the land, they took the stuff, they took everything, and they can’t undo that by giving him stuff that isn’t theirs, the hive mind has to give back people their autonomy, it has to cease to be an all consuming invading force, or it can never be right. In that way it has some tinges of anti colonialism.
But I think even if he’s just a libertarian spouting libertarian things, that is still a more admirable and interesting character than people who just want to fuck something that can’t consent.
this is some rationalist BS, you don’t even know there’s a third planet with life, or that the signal would be detected by a compatible life form, or that they would be careless enough to synthesize the dna and have it break containment like the people in the lab fucking up on protocol.
Its not rationalist BS. When you decide to have a “sci-fi” show like this, making the zombie virus even attempt to spread via interspace transmission means it’s a malevolent force.
There are no more arguments in support of the plurb. They will virtually all die out, consume most of their energy on transmitting a virus that wipes human-like specieses out and then stagnate endlessly or go extinct. Its why the show ends on a triumphant cliffhanger where carol teams up with manousos to “save the world” with an atom bomb.
This show is about zombies not a hivemind (or is it a zombie hivemind?)
If there can be 2 it’s pretty likely that there’s 3 (and by extension, an arbitrarily large amount). The difficult thing is figuring out what the odds are that planet 3 wasn’t already reached by planet 1, because that’s the narrow slice that you can actually affect by stopping the plurbs.
I think that from Manousos POV it makes sense to do this though. If humans have souls that make us have value, and the souls are taken away by joining, what value is there in the lifeform of the plurbs that ought to be considered? There’s not really any value to them because he sees them as soulless.
I’m sorry did I miss something, when was that established?
IIRC last episode, the convo with Zosia where they’re looking at the stars.
Manousos is a man who just saw an invading force take everything from everyone and then offer it back to them as “Charity” and refuses to take that deal. He is the only survivor with any consistent principles beyond self gratification. It isn’t about refusing to harm the people who used to be, it’s about the blob not getting to dictate the terms, something he made abundantly clear when he directly told you that was what he was doing, before burning his car rather than have them transport it.
He will gladly threaten the blob, he will gladly harm the individual parts of the blob, because they are part of the alien invasion, but he won’t let them give him what used to be others because if he takes it he is tacitly accepting that the world is theirs to give. If he pays, if he does it on his premises, then he is not accepting that this is their world. It is still the world of humans, and he will follow the rules of humans.
It isn’t super profound, like he just out says it.
that’s libertarian nonsense!
Yeah but at least he’s being a morally consistent libertarian, which basically makes him not a libertarian.
I think someone with his actual worldview would accept he has to use the resources at his disposal to defeat the invaders, but I get him not wanting to accept their help because he’s suspicious it’s all just a trap. Like if he actually took Carol’s word at face value he’d know they can’t lie to him, but he continues to think they’re trying to trick him.