The landlord is not “as” rich as a health insurance CEO so they’re seen as “one of us” by liberals. They literally only see how much money someone has when determining good or evil, any kind of class theory is totally lost on them. It’s also why they think there are “good” police officers just because they don’t kill people for sport, or that “mom and pop” small business owners exploiting minimum wage labour is somehow different from corporations doing it.
This meme is some low effort rage bait, .ml Lemmy slop, but Jorjor Well legit got me good.
Hey, this ragebait took me quite a while to make, not that low effort. Did you see how I even tilted the text?
I appreciated it.
Meme seems to reflect reality at least.
It’s always funny to me when individual actors like (supposedly) Luigi get lionized by liberals, but when workers organize and collectively establish state power to oppress capitalists and fascists, these same liberals cry foul. To them, it’s somehow a sin to succeed.
No but you see, Lenin and Fidel Castro only took power because they were very smart authoritarians. Why did the military support them, you say? Well, obviously because claiming “I’m the president now” gives you total control over the institutions, that’s how authoritarianism works!! /s
Noooo you’ve deboonked me!
I’m not sure why you’d assume that these are the same person.
The number of people that support Luigi is higher at the moment than the number of people that support AES countries. Therefore, the meme is representative of a sizable portion of the western “left.”
Based on what? Twitter? Polling? And what do you mean “support Luigi”? Because while I don’t condone murder, I am not convinced he murdered anyone. I think the oligarchy is trying to make an example of him and unintentionally made him a martyr.
For reference (I’m a Spaniard so maybe this isn’t representative): by far the most famous explicitly leftist band of the past 10 years is La Raíz, and one of their most famous songs, “Jilgueros”, on the lyrics explicitly talks about “que apunte al cielo quien quiera ser cazador de buitres”, (point up to the sky whoever wants to be a hunter of vultures, vultures being capitalist owners and a reference to the so-called “Fondos Buitre” or Vulture Investment Funds in Spain).
The Luigi thing is an example, but you obviously will accept that “Eat the Rich” is a very popular sentiment among western progressives and support for AES is not
Luigi is being celebrated all across the west while support for, say, Cuba, is far more controversial.
Oh I see. And that’s a fair observation. Especially online, it’s become edgy and cool to take the side of a CEO assassin, while it’s still touchy to vocally defend the Castro regime. But you will find people, notably Cubans who fled to America, who were directly affected by Castro and the Cuban government. I don’t know any health insurance CEOs, so that might be a factor in the discourse you hear.
But again, it’s not like these are the same people. Support for the Cuban government isn’t a cause celebre because Fidel Castro has been dead for almost a decade, and few Americans could even tell you who the current President is. Luigi is a source of engagement, the currency of social media. Some Americans only recently learned about Venezuela because we’re about to invade their country.
Sure, but at the same time this lack of informed opinion on AES states leads to adopting the status quo opinion.
This is literally the vast majority of western “leftists”, of course they’re the same person.
I’m a Western leftist, and neither of these positions represent me. I do know people who are represented by one or the other, but I don’t know anyone who is both. Are you sure you’re not just conflating the loudest voices as being from the same people?
Do you support Cuba, the PRC, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, Venezuela, Nicaragua, former USSR, etc but not Luigi? What do you mean you aren’t represented by either?
Support them? Like how, with money? Votes? Attending rallies? Because no, I don’t actively support any of those countries. I do think each country has the sovereign right of self-determination, and I oppose my country’s efforts to overthrow or undermine those governments.
I also oppose authoritarian dictatorships like the DPRK and the Trump administration.
As far as Luigi is concerned, I do not condone murder, but I also don’t think he’s guilty of murder. I think the oligarchy needed to find the killer, even if they didn’t find the actual killer, and planted all the evidence against Luigi.
I think you should read Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the Theory and History of Socialist Governance (to learn more about the DPRK), but I more or less understand your point now.
It might be my biased sample from the people I interact with IRL (I live in Spain) and on the internet, but out of all self-declared leftists and progressives, a vast majority support Luigi and use slogans like “eat the rich” while repelling any repression from Actually Existing Socialist states.
Agreed. This is a total goomba fallacy.
I think part of it is that those supposed leftists don’t categorize all of those capitalists the same way. It’s like they view billionaire CEOs and landlords as different groups, when the reality is that they fall into the same capitalist bucket. So landlords being stripped of their hoarded properties so that everyone can have a home, is not viewed by them in the same critical light as a CEO that hoards wealth and exploits the working class.
I don’t have anything solid to back this up. It’s just my general observation. It all boils down to class consciousness and decoupling oneself from propaganda.
While that’s part of it, you can also see plenty of hate towards landlords in western countries, because people are suffering the consequences of landlordism (when it comes to housing). The main problems IMO are Eurocentrism and American Exceptionalism.
