i was gonna get a quest 3 for christmas but then the steam frame got announced and i was like HELL NAH and thew my quest 3 ideas out of the window. if everything falls into place il have my steam frame just intime for my birthday :D
gone will the days where i will be kicked from vrc lobbies for being a “Questie”. gone will be the days of my game crashing mid snuggle session, gone the days of having a lowkey mid game selection (apart from like metro awakening as if i was gonna get the quest 3 i would have 100% gotten that game)
cant wait to get ittttt (also i cant wait to play half life alyx on it)
Some finance stuff fell through recently for me and I will no longer be getting any of the steam hardware when it comes out. Maybe next year.
Was interested in a Steam Machine, but it will probably cost $1000 with the way parts are going. Looks like I’ll be sticking with my old hardware for the foreseeable future!
the stock market crashed :(No, uh, unfortunately for me, my healthcare was politicized and made illegal and now it’s bankrupting me
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I think (just like with the Deck) I’m going to wait for a year or two and let you brave Guinea Pigs let me know if they’re worth getting.
You can also wait for an impulsive guinea pig to sell it to you “as new, barely used” by then. Even cheaper if a successor is out.
Same. Just sold my Index in anticipation
Same! Still got a decent price for it and I barely used it anymore. I’m happy to abstain from VR until I get that fresh new hardware.
Why tho ? They’ll have to remove my knuckles from my dead hands!! I plan to make the knuckles work with the frame in any case. But yes. I’m buying the frame and the controller, no doubts about that either
I’ve never had a VR headset, and this is the first one I am considering as it feels like we are finally out of “First Gen” VR and we have moved into the product space of VR that is not clunky and burdonsome.
With that said - convince me to get one.
I have a killer PC for playing at my desk, and a Steamdeck for playing on my couch. What will I actually gain? I don’t really have the space in my apartment for things that require moving around, and I don’t really care for VRchat type social experiences. Is there anything about the platform that I will actually use, or will it become an expensive dust collector hanging on the side of my desk? I have a hard time coming up with something that will actually add value. The only thing I really want to play is Half Life Alyx because I love the series and it’s the only thing I haven’t played.
Well one would get a VR headset to play VR games. If you’re not going to play VR games on the VR headset then it really isn’t worth you getting one.
Yeah but what are some good VR games? This is the part I am having a hard time justifying. I never hear about good VR games. Beatsaber? Super Hot? Like… I love the Steamdeck because there is a plethora of 10/10 indie games that run awesome on it. It feels to me like the VR game library is very lacking in that sense. Like are there “Must play - 10/10” games that are VR only? What is the “Hollow Knight” of VR?
Probably Pavlov it’s basically just CoD multiplayer, plus a less janky Gary’s Mod, in VR. I’ve just check my stats and I have months worth of play time. It’s also a hell of a workout.
The trailers on the steam page don’t really do it justice. It’s mostly about the community.
If you’re into racing there’s also Gran Turismo, I’m pretty sure Euro truck / American truck simulator also supports VR, as of course does Elite Dangerous and if you’re prepared to buy into it Star Citizen.
There’s also loads and loads of indie games but I don’t really know about those because my VR experience has been exclusively PlayStation limited, where those titles are not available. But I do know that ultra wings is extremely good because I’ve played it on a friend’s headset.
I normally wouldn’t say I was particularly interested in the VR chat style community playroom thing either but I had a lot of fun with Rec Room which is essentially the same thing but is available on PlayStation. The problem with those games is they tend to have a lot of kids in them who shouldn’t really be in there since most of those games are 18 plus. But I take the view that if they’re in there, then they’re fair play, and you can just shoot them if they’re being annoying.
Oh and there’s a dungeons and dragons simulator which is very good. If you’re into dungeons and dragons. Oh and loads of poker games.
Sorry this is a bit rambly, I just keep thinking of titles I’ve played over the years.
The thing about VR games is they don’t tend to get huge advertising budgets because it’s still quite a niche market so it looks like there isn’t really a lot of options. But if you actually have a look on the VR page there’s loads. There’s even quite a good VR MMO who’s name I can’t quite remember, but that’s quite good, if kind of dated looking.
The hardware is maybe no longer first gen but the games still are. Most feel like tech demos. The tech has been around long enough that you can start with an ok selection, but the space feels dead with almost no new launches of note or on the horizon.
I think most people that use their headset regularly do it for the social experiences and maybe porn.
if you dont get one i will come for you in your sleep
Depends on your interests. There is definitely more limited game selections. But there are quite a few good ones. I’ve been playing valve Index for a few years now.
I thoroughly enjoy it.
Yeah, the Steam Frame is one of those things where no matter what it’ll end up costing (realistically) I’m going to buy one.
i feel like steam is gonna sell them at a good price even if they are gonna make a loss on them, because gaben is tuff like that
They are definitely not selling the Gabe cube at a loss. The steam deck could be sold at a loss, because people will buy steam games for it, but the steam machine is a PC, and there would be nothing stopping, for example, corporations buying thousands as cheap workstations that will never see a single steam purchase.
There’s actually a huge thing stopping corporations from buying them in bulk as workstations:
They’re only sold on Steam, directly by Valve, then shipped to you.
Just like all other Valve hardware.
You… need a Steam account.
And they can very easily just say ‘one per person!’
People need to stop with this ‘companies will buy them in bulk and fuck everything up!’ line of logic.
It makes almost 0 sense.
A company would only be able to do that by setting up a system of fraudulent accounts on Steam, which would violate the TOS individually, and potentially be quite illegal collectively.
You won’t be able to buy a new Steam Machine, at Valve’s MSRP, at Walmart, or Best Buy, or NewEgg, or MicroCenter.
You might be able eventually find some on Amazon, or Walmart’s online stores, something like that, but those will be from resellers of dubious sourcing methods, and they will be charging more than MSRP.
EDIT:
Also, by your own logic, Valve could sell the Steam Machine at a loss, and make it up on increased game sales… if they could do that with the Steam Deck.
To what precise extent, who knows… but … that is your own logic there, and it still works for the Steam Machine too.
Or, they could kind of do the inverse and give you I dunno, $50 or $100 steam bucks for buying steam games, alongside buying a frame.
Basically just your Machine comes with a Steam Gift Card.
To totally clarify: I have not heard anyone official say they are or could do that… but… they could, its hardly impossible.
The post (and replies) are about the VR headset (steam frame), not the gabecube.
Unless the price is ridiculously low, corporations are not buying thousands of anything without a support contract. Next day repairs/exchanges and priority support are a must when dealing with hardware at scale, and Valve is not going to offer that.
Dell/Lenovo/HP are already more expensive than consumer-grade hardware from Best Buy unless you are a very large customer. Companies pay for reliability, warranty and support.
good point. could they be selling the steam frame at a loss since its more game oriented?
Most corporations just buy laptops and then the world’s cheapest docking stations. So would have to be cheaper than a mid-tier laptop and I can’t see that being likely.
Yep and once warranty is finished they sell off the hardware allowing me to pick up solid used Thinkpads to run Linux on. Warranty service is too important to corporations.
Not to point this at you but I am getting a bit tired of hearing people parrot the point that If they’re low cost then corps will buy them in droves.
Most companies will set up a deal with other companies to buy bulk at low prices, I highly doubt valve will offer that considering the restrictions they put on buying the steam deck to avoid scalpers.
I’d like to hope the Gabe cube be priced at a reasonable consumer viable price (+ ram tax) with the same 1 per account restriction that they had on the deck
Blame LTT for that. They’re the ones that put out the initial idea that corporations might buy them thus valve cannot sell them at a loss.
When I first heard them say that I initially thought “yeah that makes sense”. But after a while of thinking about it, no it doesn’t make any sense at all, I have no idea why he said that.
Linus (LTT Linus, not Torvalds) is such a fucking idiot, around everything around linux, that he functions as an industry plant for Microsoft.
Really he’s been pretty critical of Microsoft lately. I don’t really have a problem with him personally, he definitely doesn’t live in the real world though.
Only time I ever hear about him is some new really dumb thing he said/did.
I’m obviously not a fan and don’t follow him anymore, so I am biased in that way.
I’m fully expecting this to be triple the price of the Quest 3S.
they said the frame will be under the price of the valve index. either they mean the headset itself (500$ or so) or everything needed to run the headset (1000 or so)
The latter.
aw
At the moment that statement applies to all 3 products.
Every time I see a post about it, I’m hoping the pre-orders opened. Fucking take my money already!!
Me too. From what I’ve heard meta hardware is great, but I wouldn’t take one for free.
I’d rather go without VR than get a meta headset which is why I haven’t had one for years despite interest in it. I plan to get steam frame. Not sure if at launch if price is too steep, but eventually if it gets discounted after a year.
Same. I would never buy a quest, and the frame is what I was hoping something like it would come along.
Except I made the mistake of telling this to my buddy, boisterously, in a group. And he had apparently bought one awhile back and didn’t tell anyone 🙃
honestly, we wouldnt be having this conversation if the controler replacemants where cheap (which they are not) so i figure whats the point of getting replacement controllers when i can just get like uhhhhhhh a completely new headset
ELI haven’t been following VR at all (because i haven’t). Why is Quest trash, specifically? It sounds like Frame is little more than a VR display for the Steam Box/gaming PC. Am I grossly misunderstanding the situation?
The main (and big) reason to not touch Quest is Facebook. It’s Facebook hardware running Facebook software and everything you do is tied to a Facebook account. VR is a novelty, I don’t think it’s a novelty worth using Facebook or buying a $900+ piece of hardware for (and most non Quests have their own restrictions).
Plus as far as I know, Quest doesn’t work very well as a PCVR headset. So instead of my $2000 gaming PC, I’d be playing these ultra high resolution high refresh rate games on what’s functionally a phone. Frame is designed as PCVR-first.
Meta does all kinds of creepy shit, like using the cameras to compile a list of items in your home. I’d rather not do VR at all than use Meta, no matter how good it is.
The frame is a gaming computer in its own right but can also be used as a display. There’s nothing wrong with the Quest from a technological standpoint. It’s just that you’re forced into the closed Meta ecosystem in order to use it. Many people don’t want to be there these days. Steam hardware tends to be open and moddable. Let’s hope they keep that up with the upcoming products.
The only thing I open in the Quest Home is Virtual Desktop, which then opens any PC game through Open XR or Steam VR fine. That said, I’ll probably get a frame as soon as they’re available in Aus. as well as the new controller.
All that makes sense. I didn’t realize the Frame could run games on its own. Any idea how powerful it will be? Equivalent to a steamdeck? Is the Quest similarly capable?
It’s hard to benchmark because it’s running on a weird system architecture that no one’s ever really seen before.
On paper it should be at least as good as the quest, possibly a little bit more powerful. But there’s an awful lot of optimisation opportunities possible on ARM, but we don’t know if they will be initially realised. Of course you can also run it in display mode in which case it’s as powerful as the PC it’s paired with. At which point only really care about is the screen, comparable to the quest, the lenses which aren’t good as the quests, and the tracking which is probably quite a lot better than the quest. Also when it is paired to a computer it’s done so via 6G wireless rather than a cable, so that’s quite a lot more convenient.
The steam frame also has an expansion port, which is a new concept for VR headsets so we’ll see what ends up happening with that.
Unknown.
It’ll be running some kind of ARM soc. Hades has been demoed running flawlessly on it. No VR titles yet, but there is no reason they couldn’t work, too.
I fucking hate mine but I can’t stop playing beat saber. I only play the pc version with wivrn over wifi. It keeps forcing me into the little virtual scene thing when I would only ever want passthrough, some updates make tracking worse and beatsaber unplayable, controllers are super slippy and easy to drom/throw, management phone app spams you with ads/‘reccomendations’, never remembers my window setup and always forces me on to the store or socials by default and I have no friends that would use any fb/meta gaming socials, default face gasket is awful and I tried an alt strap and lost the original when the most comfortable setup I’ve since tried on someone else’s headset was alt gasket and default strap. Probably other stuff I’ve forgotten.
My Quest 2 is fucken garbage when using Steam Link and it never was before. No idea whats going down. I cant wait for the Steam Frame and Controllers. Its going to be so wonderful gaming on Linux.
Every update just breaks something a little more. I literally only want a Frame for the software. If I could flash the Quest 3 to run the Frame’s OS? I’d risk bricking my headset to do so. Fuck Meta.
Try wivrn if you’re on Linux (or alvr as a fallback).
yeahhhh. i hope the controllers wont beak as easily as my quest ones. my controllers have the opposite of stick drift where until i push it rlly hard, the sticks wont input, if they even input. also they like to force my chaarcter backward when im pushing forward on my stick so yeah. movement based games aint that good on my quest anymore.
Hey, you do realize that the steam frame isn’t going to have enough horsepower to run full pcvr vrchat on it’s own right? You’ll still be about to run the Android version, but that’s just the quest version still.
Now if you plan to stream from your full gaming PC it’ll be great, but realize that the frame itself is a little less powerful than a steamdeck which can barely handle full PC VRChat in desktop mode.
Don’t get me wrong, day one purchase for me too.
Bruh, my PC designed for VR barely runs VRChat.
100% accurate.
ok so do you want me to get the steam frame or not
I just want you to understand what it can and can’t do, if you buy it expecting to get a full pcvr experience out of it without streaming from a PC then you are going to be disappointed.
Are you sure? It’s 3 times more powerful than the quest 3, and the quest 3 can do some cool stuff
The Valve reps said in some interview that the cannot even promise HL Alyx running natively on the Frame and that’s their homegrown flagship VR title. You’d think Valve would design hardware tailored to do that.
ok so by your bloody metric, i just wasted a christmas (parents didn’t get my anything so that i could get a bigger present next year on my birthday) so i can get a glorified vr version of a PlayStation portal. is this correct?
by your bloody metric
It’s not my metric, I merely repeated what I remembered from one of the interviews and my astonishment from hearing what I heard.
If you “wasted christmas”, that’s your metric, not mine.
well thanks i guess
The steam frame, while seemingly really cool, just won’t be able to handle the worst of pc vr chat because it’s 100% guaranteed to be worse than a dedicated pc. Dedicated pcs already struggle with vr chat. It’s because there’s a million people with custom unoptimised player models everywhere.
VRChat has many many options to deal with that. My PC only has an RTX 2060 and it manages ok.
Well, we’ll see if the steam frame can handle it. I imagine it won’t.
I think it’s more a question of, how will it look once the settings are knocked down enough for a smooth framerate.
Uh…what was that about a snuggle session? LOL.
Also, people kick out others for being on Quest? Why not just launch VR Chat via SteamLink to your Quest? You can launch all SteamVR games via SteamLink to the Quest headset. I have a Quest 2 and use it for pretty much only streaming from my PC over WiFi from my Linux PC.
“Why not just launch VR Chat via SteamLink to your Quest?”
oh if it where only that simple my sweet summer child :(. my laptop cant… run anything lol
Well the Steam Frame is mostly going to be a streaming headset from a gaming PC with the possibility of running things local, so you’re going to need a gaming PC to run things like HL: Alyx.
they advertise the fact that it can run half life alyx natively tho
plus i dont have a job so theres no way i wanna upgrade my laptop i got in covid
they advertise the fact that it can run half life alyx natively tho
Where? I watched an interview where the guys only said that they hope to make it happen and it would stream off a PC otherwise and that they were looking into a Aperture Desk Job sized game.
I might get one aswell, as long as it’s not too expensive. Haven’t been able to play Half-Life Alyx yet.
I feel the exact same. I have a Quest 3S, and I can’t wait to dump it immediately as soon as I get a Frame.
i heard the quest 3s isnt that good compared to the 3. no headphone jack is a huge loss for me unless the bluetooth latency problem is fixed
For what I use it for (mostly Beat Saber, but also 3D modeling), it’s not bad. For what I’d like to use it for (AAA VR games), it’s terrible. But, it’s way better than the Quest 1 I had before it. Still, the Frame is going to absolutely destroy it.
I have held off on buying any VR rig, but now I am SO READY.
I am also hyped for the Frame. I’ve got an Index that’s a few years old now. I’m a little sad my FBT won’t natively run, but I’m sure something will come up; not too worried.
I picked up a psvr and was so excited for it… only I cannot see shit because it does not fit over my glasses. I have intentionally not looked at the frame at all because I do not want to face the same thing happen.
I think the frame is going to support perscription lenses but don’t quote me on that.
Where you have to buy special lenses that fit into it? The psvr does too, I cannot afford that.
