“Denmark can’t claim land, just because their boat landed there 500 years ago”
I… I…but you… how…?
He argues like a religious person.
No no, you don’t understand.
Danish boats just landed on Greenland.
Settlers landed in the Americas guided by God. Totally different.
Settlers landed in the Americas guided by God. Totally different.
Like I said. Religious nutcase.
Just say bibi wants the US to have it and democrats will go along with it.
Clearly, we just have to get a bunch of people to identify as Sumerian, and then they would have the right to the land.
tbf, manifest destiny was originally an american idea
Calling dibs on someone else’s land is probably a much older idea than any country on the map today.
oh certainly, but justifying it with “because god said so” is very much american (tho not exclusively, and they probably weren’t the first)
Very much not disagreeing, but that’s literally the Divine Right of Kings. The very basis of imperialism is rooted in religiosity. Look at the Crusades for instance.
People have been using religion to dehumanize natives and colonize forever.
Yep. Since before even Christianity or Judaism existed.
The holy roman empire, and the crusades happened, so the idea is as european as it is american. Or arguably, more european. Either way, it definitely pre-dates america. And don’t get me wrong, fuck america all the way to hell and back. But humans have been attempting to commit genocide at least as long as written history has existed.
The Promised Land was originally God’s idea.
The Promised Land was originally God’s idea.
Strangely, it was the idea of every God that every religion has ever conceived of.
God was originally the idea of bossy humans, though.
I think it’s more likely that the idea of a god or gods originated with humans who consumed psychoactive plants, fungus, and/or ergot-infected grain. Hardly the bossy types.
Over time though, the idea caught on and got popular, until most people had heard of or generally believed in it. Then some tightwads came in and decided that people couldn’t get high anymore, so those folks had to take their drugs to secret caves and such.
Meanwhile, the tightwads appropriated the proto-religious ideas and codified them into stricter religions in order to pacify the masses who over generations had come to believe in such things as gods, and thus religions were converted into instruments of social control.
There’s another factor here. Pre-agricultural, shamanic religions tend to feature spirits rather than gods. The main difference being that spirits are not anthropomorphic, which really changes how you expect them to behave and how you interact with them. So for example a wind spirit is not a magic man who makes the wind, but is rather the wind itself. A respect for nature is implicit. It’s only after farming and settling, when we really began to shape and control our environment, that we imagined the controlling forces of the universe as being essentially human: a projection of human kings, complete with the vice, cruelty and will to subjugate and consume everything that entails.
I mean even then, some people were like “Hey so there’s this god of wine and orgies. Anyway, we’re gonna go worship him in a cave, wanna come?”
I think it’s more likely that the idea of a god or gods originated with humans who consumed psychoactive plants, fungus, and/or ergot-infected grain
The original nature religions and the like, sure.
Inherently authoritarian ones like Christianity and the other monotheistic ones, though? Definitely the invention of people who wanted to control other people.
There’s presumably wasn’t a lot of drugs that make you overly concerned with obedience and imposing your will on others available way back then.
That’s what I meant by proto-religion.
Also, christianity wasn’t authoritarian until it was subverted by Rome. For the first couple hundred years, they were rebels risking their lives
You’re right. The Dutch, and the Spanish, and the English, and the Romans were all totally content with what they had.
Not to defend the horrifying Spanish Empire, but it didn’t contain genocide of natives as a tenet. It enslaved people, spread diseases and wars, and murdered millions upon millions, but go to Peru and you’ll see that at least it didn’t reach the goal of extermination to the degree that happened in North America.
And the lord said…“Let there be might!”.
GREENLAND BELONGS TO THE NORDS!
I would guess Mormonism might make claims like that.
They make way funnier claims like the garden of eden was in Missouri
Don’t tell anyone here that more than 80% of the population of Israel was born there. Definitely don’t tell people that removing people from where they were born because of their ethnicity is the definition of the term “ethnic cleansing”.
It really hurts people feelings when they realize they support ethnic cleansing when they’re trying to have some fun posting memes about hating Jews. But only Jews that live in a specific area… which they should not be allowed to live! And of course the Jews that support them that live elsewhere. Ah, but if you also that people that aren’t cool with
ethnic cleansinganti-colonialism, and say you don’t hate “the good ones” then you’re a cool person within theanti-semiticanti-zionist bubble.Remember, a good cult member is always on the attack and never on defense! So post your attacks below:
Believe it or not i can condemn a country’s actions and think they lost the right to exist in their current form without thinking that the people living there should be displaced, or that everyone living there is in full support of what’s going on.
Similar to how you might notice that germans still live in germany, but the governmental structure was transformed and there were (poor and insufficient) attempts at denazification. (And yes, plenty of germans were displaced. In similar situations as current israelis would be. But there’s a difference between going to another part of your country and having to go far away/into a neighbouring country. Some suffering is unavoidable once you start a war, and innocents that were powerless to stop it will be swept up in it even on the attacking side)
Ideally I’d say have palestine govern the area and let the israelis live there, but realistically that can only go wrong since there will be a very understandable grudge that isn’t going away for a long time.
Regardless, if you genocide your neighbour (or anyone), you lost legitimacy as a country in my eyes.
Ideally I’d say have palestine govern the area and let the israelis live there
Which Palestinian government? Hamas? Wanting a Hamas govern Jews is no different from wanting Nazis governing Jews. You’re being willfully ignorant when you pretend not to know how that will turn out.
Even if were the corrupt PA governing Jews, how effective do you think they would be in preventing Hamas from doing another October 7? The So called “Al-Aqsa Flood” is a genocidal act that is celebrated by Hamas. The PA sure as hell doesn’t have the capability (and it doubtful they would have the will) to keep Jews safe from the psychopaths in Hamas.
You’ve stated that you’re in favour of an ethnostate, just not one that has Jews governed by a different ethnicity. Maybe think through a little more about why a state in which Jews are governed by people that believe in blood and soil and generally don’t like Jews might be a problem.
Finish reading the incomplete sentence you quoted.
You… do realize how the nation of Israel got the land that they’re on, right?
You do realize what they’re currently doing to Palestinians in the West Bank who have lived on that land for generations… right?
Yeah and I’m aware of how the British got the land that I live on too.
But I didn’t do those things, I was born after those things happened. People don’t choose where they were born. What the hell is anyone supposed to do about what happened in a history book? I’m supposed to move to Europe (a place I’ve never been) because you believe people should only live in certain places based on ethnicity?
The whole blood and soil concept you’re laying down is the reason why Jews had to leave Europe and go live where they originated from.
Dude, chill out, I never said Israelis need to leave Israel. And I’m not laying down a blood and soil concept. Those are about as strawman as one can get.
You were on your soap box about how ethnic cleansings are bad (you’re right, they are bad), while conveniently ignoring the fact that the nation of Israel is currently engaging in the act of ethnic cleansing. That’s all I pointed out.
The original post is criticizing two power hungry dictators for wanting to annex land that doesn’t belong to them. If you don’t care about what happened in the history books, then what’s it matter who lived on the land 2000 years ago?
The only ones making a blood and soil argument here is the people saying “Well our ancestors lived here during the time of the roman empire.”
Always attack, never defend! Congratulations, you’ve proven your loyalty to your cult.
Can’t tell if this says: “Strawman” or “If I only had a brain…”
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