I’d like to point out that, unlike Tankies, meanwhileongrad encourages them to come into the community and actively engage and discuss their views without risk of being banned or silenced.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
The comm rules kinda forbid tankies from discussing any of the takes here. Not that I have a problem with the rule, but it contradicts what you’re writing in this thread.
One of several reasons why I left moderation on MoG is because Goat is serious about letting tankies air their views, whereas my reaction was always “Ban, no appeal, fuck off Nazi with red paint”
I disengaged largely because I felt you weren’t fast enough to acknowledge that the Palestinian people were being subjected not just to an atrocity, but, specifically, to genocide. Later, as the behavior of Israel became even more atrocious and blatant, you would acknowledge that the behavior of the government of Israel was genocidal, but by then I was already feeling the distance between us on the matter, and not interested in rejoining moderation in a comm where I could not guarantee what I regarded as a ‘baseline’ of decency/genocide acknowledgement.
However, due to Lemmy’s code, I couldn’t leave the mod position myself, and I thought I was being re-added every time I tried to leave since there’s a few hours’ delay, so I just stopped moderating for a while.
When you became less active, I returned to moderating, primarily by banning tankie fuckwits who came in and spread their vile shite. Eventually, you returned to activity and told me to give them a warning first, and I told you to just remove me from moderation, because I had no patience for those games.
Yeah um I will have to disagree here. This is like letting Nazis come in here and discuss on why it’s necessary to kill Jews. After all this time expecting anything from them is the definition of insanity.
You moderate here and I respect your views on how to do things. But in my life I have learned that there is nothing to be gained from having the moral high ground. I’m tired of being held to higher standards than scum. They’re allowed to spew shit while we are not. This is a tit for tat situation.
I feel stupid writing this since I’m essentially sinking to their level but these people should be erased from the internet. There is nothing good that can come from them.
The main admin of my previous instance threw me under the bus when they came in and brigaded the instance. Started accusing me of lighting the fire when I made a post about defederation with the hex and grad (not even .ml bruh) and that it was my fault that they did what they did. Even while they were insulting mods and even the main admin HIMSELF and brigading the instance. I WAS STILL ASKED TO SHOW PROOF and I responded by saying why should I? They did exactly what I was trying to warn the instance about. I still provided proof but man that left a sour taste in my mouth after that.
The French are worshippers of « the moral high ground » and letting people explain themselves and then the leopards ate their faces.
Some did defend me but it was sparse.
I mean if you want them to come in here and embarrass themselves that would make more sense.
I don’t care what they think of us they should be silenced.
I think there’s a bug with your instance since your replies don’t appear in any threads unless viewed from your instance. Thankfully I can still see direct replies you make, though I don’t know if anyone else can see these.
Tankies are kept on a tight leash, they can’t make calls for death and murder and the usual edgy shit they larp about. All they can do is expose themselves that their viewpoints are nonsensical and hypocritical, and they know this, and that’s why none of them ever try to come into this community. Throughout the years of this community, we’ve only had a few of these tankies actually venture and try to explain themselves. Though none of them ever actually argue in favour of communism or why authoritarianism is so good, typically it’s just to spread falsehoods about one particular topic they take interest in, such as Palestine or Ukraine.
I’m not the biggest fan of being held to a higher standard either, and there have been many times when I stopped caring. But the reason is that if you act mature and patient, you show people visiting this community how unhinged tankies are, which in turn grows the community and encourages more people to switch to piefed and oppose Tankies. I know from being in their personal circles that they absolutely loathe how effective this community is in changing public perception on tankies and their spaces. It’s enlightening to hear the disparity that they’re immediately identified and shut down in different spaces they visit.
I agree with you that there’s no convincing them, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. Tankies don’t believe in their ideals because of theory, or logic or reason, but much like neo-nazis and other extremists – It’s emotion that fuels them. It’s rage at a system that hasn’t rewarded their narcissism, it’s an inability they may be wrong.
I’m sorry you’ve been a victim of them. I’ve been a victim of their efforts as well, they’ve tried to doxx me, post fake nudes, spread fake information, regularly lie, harass me and others and stalk me. They have entire chat rooms dedicated to me, so I know how you feel.
But yeah, it’s mainly for them to embarrass themselves and have regular people who may not know about Tankies realise how extremist and nonsensical these individuals are. But none of them will be brave enough to venture outside their rather fragile safe spaces.
Yeah it seems my instance is acting up or it’s the piefed/voyager link. I’m saw a post on all that was recent and when I went down to comment I instantly got an upvote but it’s dead post from 4 months ago. Don’t understand exactly what’s going on there.
I fully believe you can manage them but I also believe it’s quite unnecessary for the reasons I stated before.
I’m also sorry to hear what you had to go through. It really makes this place toxic.
I believe they shouldn’t be able to espouse views that support terrorism and crimes against humanity on here. If they can talk about their views without that and without insults, then sure we can tolerate initial debate.
I’d like to point out that, unlike Tankies, meanwhileongrad encourages them to come into the community and actively engage and discuss their views without risk of being banned or silenced.
Assuming they know how to discuss without insulting the others I suppose, right?
if the person being insulted doesn’t like it they can say ‘hey don’t insult me or i’ll report you’ and i’ll act on it
or report them if they break any other rules
The comm rules kinda forbid tankies from discussing any of the takes here. Not that I have a problem with the rule, but it contradicts what you’re writing in this thread.
Below it is a little section:
One of several reasons why I left moderation on MoG is because Goat is serious about letting tankies air their views, whereas my reaction was always “Ban, no appeal, fuck off Nazi with red paint”
i thought it was over israel and palestine or ukraine and russia or some shit, i forgot
I disengaged largely because I felt you weren’t fast enough to acknowledge that the Palestinian people were being subjected not just to an atrocity, but, specifically, to genocide. Later, as the behavior of Israel became even more atrocious and blatant, you would acknowledge that the behavior of the government of Israel was genocidal, but by then I was already feeling the distance between us on the matter, and not interested in rejoining moderation in a comm where I could not guarantee what I regarded as a ‘baseline’ of decency/genocide acknowledgement.
However, due to Lemmy’s code, I couldn’t leave the mod position myself, and I thought I was being re-added every time I tried to leave since there’s a few hours’ delay, so I just stopped moderating for a while.
When you became less active, I returned to moderating, primarily by banning tankie fuckwits who came in and spread their vile shite. Eventually, you returned to activity and told me to give them a warning first, and I told you to just remove me from moderation, because I had no patience for those games.
was that at the very start of the conflict?
Pretty close to it, yeah.
Does spreading lies and missinformation also count as a rule?
Just drop em with a truth bomb
Yet they even specifically blocked their users from visiting this comm. If that isn’t peak echo chamber behaviour then i don’t know what is😂
Yeah um I will have to disagree here. This is like letting Nazis come in here and discuss on why it’s necessary to kill Jews. After all this time expecting anything from them is the definition of insanity.
You moderate here and I respect your views on how to do things. But in my life I have learned that there is nothing to be gained from having the moral high ground. I’m tired of being held to higher standards than scum. They’re allowed to spew shit while we are not. This is a tit for tat situation.
I feel stupid writing this since I’m essentially sinking to their level but these people should be erased from the internet. There is nothing good that can come from them.
The main admin of my previous instance threw me under the bus when they came in and brigaded the instance. Started accusing me of lighting the fire when I made a post about defederation with the hex and grad (not even .ml bruh) and that it was my fault that they did what they did. Even while they were insulting mods and even the main admin HIMSELF and brigading the instance. I WAS STILL ASKED TO SHOW PROOF and I responded by saying why should I? They did exactly what I was trying to warn the instance about. I still provided proof but man that left a sour taste in my mouth after that.
The French are worshippers of « the moral high ground » and letting people explain themselves and then the leopards ate their faces.
Some did defend me but it was sparse.
I mean if you want them to come in here and embarrass themselves that would make more sense.
I don’t care what they think of us they should be silenced.
I think there’s a bug with your instance since your replies don’t appear in any threads unless viewed from your instance. Thankfully I can still see direct replies you make, though I don’t know if anyone else can see these.
Tankies are kept on a tight leash, they can’t make calls for death and murder and the usual edgy shit they larp about. All they can do is expose themselves that their viewpoints are nonsensical and hypocritical, and they know this, and that’s why none of them ever try to come into this community. Throughout the years of this community, we’ve only had a few of these tankies actually venture and try to explain themselves. Though none of them ever actually argue in favour of communism or why authoritarianism is so good, typically it’s just to spread falsehoods about one particular topic they take interest in, such as Palestine or Ukraine.
I’m not the biggest fan of being held to a higher standard either, and there have been many times when I stopped caring. But the reason is that if you act mature and patient, you show people visiting this community how unhinged tankies are, which in turn grows the community and encourages more people to switch to piefed and oppose Tankies. I know from being in their personal circles that they absolutely loathe how effective this community is in changing public perception on tankies and their spaces. It’s enlightening to hear the disparity that they’re immediately identified and shut down in different spaces they visit.
I agree with you that there’s no convincing them, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. Tankies don’t believe in their ideals because of theory, or logic or reason, but much like neo-nazis and other extremists – It’s emotion that fuels them. It’s rage at a system that hasn’t rewarded their narcissism, it’s an inability they may be wrong.
I’m sorry you’ve been a victim of them. I’ve been a victim of their efforts as well, they’ve tried to doxx me, post fake nudes, spread fake information, regularly lie, harass me and others and stalk me. They have entire chat rooms dedicated to me, so I know how you feel.
But yeah, it’s mainly for them to embarrass themselves and have regular people who may not know about Tankies realise how extremist and nonsensical these individuals are. But none of them will be brave enough to venture outside their rather fragile safe spaces.
Yeah it seems my instance is acting up or it’s the piefed/voyager link. I’m saw a post on all that was recent and when I went down to comment I instantly got an upvote but it’s dead post from 4 months ago. Don’t understand exactly what’s going on there.
I fully believe you can manage them but I also believe it’s quite unnecessary for the reasons I stated before.
I’m also sorry to hear what you had to go through. It really makes this place toxic.
I believe they shouldn’t be able to espouse views that support terrorism and crimes against humanity on here. If they can talk about their views without that and without insults, then sure we can tolerate initial debate.