The fact that they can commit those crimes with complete immunity, though, does negate our rights. It’s hard to take seriously the idea that they’re guilty of a crime when nobody ever gets arrested for it.
Seriously, every time I hear someone say “that’s illegal, they can’t do that” i want to bang my head against a wall. Watch them, they just did! So many people are stuck in this naive mindset of “what does the rulebook say” while governments correctly understand that in reality, the only question that matters is “who’s gonna stop me”.
I’m sorry for what they’ve done, my condolences and I hope things get better for you soon
That’s true. Your rights are not inalienable. The only way you get to keep them, is if you fight for them every time there’s an election. If you’re not voting for the candidate who will actually respect your rights, then you may as well be giving them away.
According to the regime there was no crime committed. They are permitted to shoot and kill anyone they want and there are no legal means of redress, they have total immunity. In what world does that sound like a “right” to you?
It doesn’t sound right to me. It sounds like a crime…which is what I called it. And as much as they’re acting like they have total immunity…they don’t.
But they do. Very obviously they do. You can call it a crime all you like, but you’re just some loser on the internet. The actual powers that be have made it clear that it was not a crime
If there is no legal recourse for people brutalized by ICE, then it is de jure legal for them to do anything they want.
Remember what you said: “It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt.” It demonstrably doesn’t prevent him from arresting, or killing, his political opponents.
He can, in fact, arrest his political opponents. He’s doing it right now. There’s no legal mechanism to stop him.
Ok, so have you just not been paying attention? Or are you just expecting things to happen instantaneously? They keep trying to do the things you say they’re getting away with…but they aren’t. You just have to keep watching. These things take time…and yes, that means some of what they’re doing isn’t getting stopped before it happens. But that also doesn’t mean they’re “getting away with it”, any more than when anyone else commits a crime.
You specifically used the word “prevent” but, if you have been paying attention, we aren’t seeing prevention. What we see are our rights being violated by the regime and then the Courts ordering them to stop. That’s not prevention.
Also, I won’t hold my breath. I don’t think Renée Good’s murderer will face accountability under this regime.
Maybe if we are allowed to have elections and different people take power we’ll see prosecutions, but that just demonstrates the point we’re trying to make to you. Whoever is in charge decides what the law is and what rights you have, and while Trump is in charge he decides that his Gestapo has a right to murder anyone they want. If he loses power, that might change.
The reason why I said you haven’t been paying attention, is because almost everything the Trump administration has been trying to do, keeps getting blocked by the court. And contrary to popular belief, that matters, even if the Trump administration isn’t following every ruling. Those count as crimes, and there will be a reckoning.
But that all goes into the pile of stuff we can’t “prevent”, because you can’t prevent them from committing crimes. You can hold them accountable for them, though…but unfortunately it’s after-the-fact, and the process takes time.
You may be right though, about the actual individuals who murdered Renee Good and Alex Pretti. They may get off. But I highly doubt Kristy Noem and Stephen Miller will. Or even Greg Bovino. The people responsible for the policies that led to those murders will be held accountable. But again, unfortunately it will be after-the-fact, and it will take time. And you are correct…it will take a change in leadership. Because you’re also right that the Trump administration won’t hold them accountable.
But none of that makes the system broken. It just means that Trump and most of his cabinet are guilty of breaking the law. And if we don’t all stand up and do something about it, then they will get away with it. The best and easiest way to make sure they are held accountable, is to show up for your midterm elections, and make sure Republicans lose their majorities in both Houses.
They may get off. But I highly doubt Kristy Noem and Stephen Miller will. Or even Greg Bovino. The people responsible for the policies that led to those murders will be held accountable.
Not sure if you’re doing a bit, but i’ll bite: Can you recall any historical examples of US public officials being held accountable for their obviously-criminal policy decisions? Eg, remind me who from the Bush administration went to prison due to the fact that they (as Obama put it) “tortured some folks”? And who from the Obama administration went to prison for any of their war crimes (eg)? What makes you think it will be different for people like Noem and Miller? 🤔
You don’t see that this is different? Or, that things are changing? People slept-walked through Trump’s first term because he didn’t really push any hard boundaries. He lacked the infrastructural support to do much, outside the usual lines.
Then we watched the Biden administration basically try and “return to normal”, and let everything that did happen, slide…just like they’ve always done before.
…so, now here we are watching full-blown fascism take over the country, as a direct result of that failure to act.
And you think nothing is going to happen, this time either? I think you are vastly underestimating how angry people are.
Yeah, it’s taken so long to prosecute the monstrous war criminals of the Bush Administration that they’re dying of old age. But it’s definitely going to happen though, right? There Will Be A Reckoning, after all?
But I highly doubt Kristy Noem and Stephen Miller will.
Looool.
. Or even Greg Bovino. The people responsible for the policies that led to those murders will be held accountable. But again, unfortunately it will be after-the-fact, and it will take time.
Even Charlie Brown would call you credulous.
The best and easiest way to make sure they are held accountable, is to show up for your midterm elections, and make sure Republicans lose their majorities in both Houses.
Lose to fucking who? The Democrats have never held Republicans accountable, not ever. I swear you people have literally Erased all memory of the fact that Trump was already in, he already lost the house, he already lost the presidency, and the Democrats did nothing to hold anyone accountable. In fact, they instead committed unforgivable crimes themselves. And they won’t be held accountable for that either
You said the high burden of proof needed to prove criminal guilt is what prevents Trump from arresting his political opponents, but it literally doesn’t do that. What it does, after they’re arrested, is give them a potential pathway to regaining their freedom. Kilmar Abrego Garcia comes to mind, his life was hell for most of last year fighting against his deportation to El Salvador. He’s walking free, for now, while he awaits even more bullshit trials. His ordeal hasn’t even ended yet.
Will Kristy Noem or Stephen Miller or Greg Bovino spend a day in jail for what they’ve done? Where’s the justice?
We don’t seem to have rights, we have a system of privileges that can be revoked if the wrong people get elected.
But you’re right, the system isn’t broken. It’s working exactly as it was intended.
You said the high burden of proof needed to prove criminal guilt is what prevents Trump from arresting his political opponents, but it literally doesn’t do that. What it does, after they’re arrested, is give them a potential pathway to regaining their freedom.
That’s more “moving the goalposts” than what I said. You’re intentionally missing my point by focusing so narrowly on my wording. The example I had in mind, was the 6 members of Congress that they just tried to arrest and charge with some form of treason, over that video they released reminding service members that they have the right to refuse illegal orders.
In the case of Abrego Garcia, that is actually another example of the system working…not the other way around. The Trump administration is trying as hard as possible to circumvent the law by denying his Constitutional right to due process, but so far, he has been able to not only fight back, but also to win.
We don’t seem to have rights, we have a system of privileges that can be revoked if the wrong people get elected.
That’s all that “rights” are. That’s literally the reason why it’s so important to put the right people in charge. If we let our guard down too often, or even just at the one wrong time…we risk losing everything. Our rights and freedoms are something that we have to fight to maintain every single time there’s an election. And not just when it’s the president. State and local elections are probably even more important.
If we let the wrong people take power, it isn’t because the system failed us…it’s because we failed to use the system the way it was intended.
Them committing crimes doesn’t negate your rights. It just makes them guilty of violating them.
The bill of rights is toilet paper unless you’re a billionaire
The fact that they can commit those crimes with complete immunity, though, does negate our rights. It’s hard to take seriously the idea that they’re guilty of a crime when nobody ever gets arrested for it.
Rights are imaginary, it’s always just been a question of power
I couldnt agree more! If they dont have a valid reason to fuck up your life, they will make it up!
Governments dont care about us or the consequenves of THEIR actions!
I almost killed myself after what they did to me, and its not over yet…
Thats what they did to me
Seriously, every time I hear someone say “that’s illegal, they can’t do that” i want to bang my head against a wall. Watch them, they just did! So many people are stuck in this naive mindset of “what does the rulebook say” while governments correctly understand that in reality, the only question that matters is “who’s gonna stop me”.
I’m sorry for what they’ve done, my condolences and I hope things get better for you soon
Oh… I wasnt expecting sympathy…
You are right.
Well Im happy because or them I found God, and finally believe in final judgement which is kindof a relief
That’s true. Your rights are not inalienable. The only way you get to keep them, is if you fight for them every time there’s an election. If you’re not voting for the candidate who will actually respect your rights, then you may as well be giving them away.
This has to be parody. It’s too on the nose to be real
Within the boundaries of capitalism, no candidate cares about working class rights, because the parties represent capital.
According to the regime there was no crime committed. They are permitted to shoot and kill anyone they want and there are no legal means of redress, they have total immunity. In what world does that sound like a “right” to you?
It doesn’t sound right to me. It sounds like a crime…which is what I called it. And as much as they’re acting like they have total immunity…they don’t.
But they do. Very obviously they do. You can call it a crime all you like, but you’re just some loser on the internet. The actual powers that be have made it clear that it was not a crime
If there is no legal recourse for people brutalized by ICE, then it is de jure legal for them to do anything they want.
Remember what you said: “It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt.” It demonstrably doesn’t prevent him from arresting, or killing, his political opponents.
He can, in fact, arrest his political opponents. He’s doing it right now. There’s no legal mechanism to stop him.
Ok, so have you just not been paying attention? Or are you just expecting things to happen instantaneously? They keep trying to do the things you say they’re getting away with…but they aren’t. You just have to keep watching. These things take time…and yes, that means some of what they’re doing isn’t getting stopped before it happens. But that also doesn’t mean they’re “getting away with it”, any more than when anyone else commits a crime.
Lol, this is Qanon shit now. “Just watch and see! The Storm is coming any day now!”
I think you are aiding, abetting, and providing material comfort, in addition to obstructing justice.
Lol! Wut?
You specifically used the word “prevent” but, if you have been paying attention, we aren’t seeing prevention. What we see are our rights being violated by the regime and then the Courts ordering them to stop. That’s not prevention.
Also, I won’t hold my breath. I don’t think Renée Good’s murderer will face accountability under this regime.
Maybe if we are allowed to have elections and different people take power we’ll see prosecutions, but that just demonstrates the point we’re trying to make to you. Whoever is in charge decides what the law is and what rights you have, and while Trump is in charge he decides that his Gestapo has a right to murder anyone they want. If he loses power, that might change.
The reason why I said you haven’t been paying attention, is because almost everything the Trump administration has been trying to do, keeps getting blocked by the court. And contrary to popular belief, that matters, even if the Trump administration isn’t following every ruling. Those count as crimes, and there will be a reckoning.
But that all goes into the pile of stuff we can’t “prevent”, because you can’t prevent them from committing crimes. You can hold them accountable for them, though…but unfortunately it’s after-the-fact, and the process takes time.
You may be right though, about the actual individuals who murdered Renee Good and Alex Pretti. They may get off. But I highly doubt Kristy Noem and Stephen Miller will. Or even Greg Bovino. The people responsible for the policies that led to those murders will be held accountable. But again, unfortunately it will be after-the-fact, and it will take time. And you are correct…it will take a change in leadership. Because you’re also right that the Trump administration won’t hold them accountable.
But none of that makes the system broken. It just means that Trump and most of his cabinet are guilty of breaking the law. And if we don’t all stand up and do something about it, then they will get away with it. The best and easiest way to make sure they are held accountable, is to show up for your midterm elections, and make sure Republicans lose their majorities in both Houses.
Not sure if you’re doing a bit, but i’ll bite: Can you recall any historical examples of US public officials being held accountable for their obviously-criminal policy decisions? Eg, remind me who from the Bush administration went to prison due to the fact that they (as Obama put it) “tortured some folks”? And who from the Obama administration went to prison for any of their war crimes (eg)? What makes you think it will be different for people like Noem and Miller? 🤔
You don’t see that this is different? Or, that things are changing? People slept-walked through Trump’s first term because he didn’t really push any hard boundaries. He lacked the infrastructural support to do much, outside the usual lines.
Then we watched the Biden administration basically try and “return to normal”, and let everything that did happen, slide…just like they’ve always done before.
…so, now here we are watching full-blown fascism take over the country, as a direct result of that failure to act.
And you think nothing is going to happen, this time either? I think you are vastly underestimating how angry people are.
Qanon. Shit.
Yeah, it’s taken so long to prosecute the monstrous war criminals of the Bush Administration that they’re dying of old age. But it’s definitely going to happen though, right? There Will Be A Reckoning, after all?
Looool.
Even Charlie Brown would call you credulous.
Lose to fucking who? The Democrats have never held Republicans accountable, not ever. I swear you people have literally Erased all memory of the fact that Trump was already in, he already lost the house, he already lost the presidency, and the Democrats did nothing to hold anyone accountable. In fact, they instead committed unforgivable crimes themselves. And they won’t be held accountable for that either
But you’re moving the goal posts.
You said the high burden of proof needed to prove criminal guilt is what prevents Trump from arresting his political opponents, but it literally doesn’t do that. What it does, after they’re arrested, is give them a potential pathway to regaining their freedom. Kilmar Abrego Garcia comes to mind, his life was hell for most of last year fighting against his deportation to El Salvador. He’s walking free, for now, while he awaits even more bullshit trials. His ordeal hasn’t even ended yet.
Will Kristy Noem or Stephen Miller or Greg Bovino spend a day in jail for what they’ve done? Where’s the justice?
We don’t seem to have rights, we have a system of privileges that can be revoked if the wrong people get elected.
But you’re right, the system isn’t broken. It’s working exactly as it was intended.
That’s more “moving the goalposts” than what I said. You’re intentionally missing my point by focusing so narrowly on my wording. The example I had in mind, was the 6 members of Congress that they just tried to arrest and charge with some form of treason, over that video they released reminding service members that they have the right to refuse illegal orders.
In the case of Abrego Garcia, that is actually another example of the system working…not the other way around. The Trump administration is trying as hard as possible to circumvent the law by denying his Constitutional right to due process, but so far, he has been able to not only fight back, but also to win.
That’s all that “rights” are. That’s literally the reason why it’s so important to put the right people in charge. If we let our guard down too often, or even just at the one wrong time…we risk losing everything. Our rights and freedoms are something that we have to fight to maintain every single time there’s an election. And not just when it’s the president. State and local elections are probably even more important.
If we let the wrong people take power, it isn’t because the system failed us…it’s because we failed to use the system the way it was intended.
Right alone does not translate to political power.